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| KidBuu55 | May 16 2016, 10:25 PM Post #76 |
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That's not what happened at all. I like how all your post boil down to "well, they made this vague statement, so we can assume it agrees with me" |
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| Billa | May 17 2016, 03:38 AM Post #77 |
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Thala na Gethu!
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This. Instead of exchanging constructive opinions, some Mods here are under the impression that whatever alphabets coming outta their phalanges to be ultimate fact which needs to be obeyed by any & every member. Even if it doesnt make sense. Even if it means selling ur brains at groceries & blindly buy the concept of swinging heavy a*** sword for few hours could bridge ur insane gap. Even if it means puking at sheer stupidity of twisting Goku's "doubt" into Gohan's "gain" Guess I've said this before & wouldnt mind saying it again. The Overpowering isnt with the show. Its with the fans. I fear that if I go on any further, I'll be termed as troller & my points (even if backed by statements, feats & in-character POV's would be brushed aside as trolls) Peace |
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| EMIYA | May 17 2016, 04:16 AM Post #78 |
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"I am the bone of my sword."
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Bulls***. It's you guys who can't accept the the facts despite them being right there in your face. We've constantly pointed out statements from the characters, pointed out Goku's constant state of bluntness in several points in the series and yet remains skeptical at best with Gohan in comparison to Fat Boo. We've made constant points here on how only a dumbass would think arm strength means anything. We've made constant points of how Goku could easily just compare Gohan to himself and how he'd fair against Majin Boo. In the end, your only argument hasn't been about using quotes, or statements or anything that may actually help your case. Instead you rely on attacking the story itself, saying that its wrong and can't happen. In the end, none of you have a damn argument to stand on. You guys have nothing and its a real joke. It's just like the whole Gotenks Boo and Gohkan fusion. Instead of actually relying on the statements given through the story, it's this. "Ooh, Boo's a dumbass so he doesn't know what he's talking about." And its the same thing here. Instead of relying on any real evidence on your part, you're argument ends up being. "Eh, Gohan getting strong doesn't make sense so it's not true." Come back to me when you have an actual argument and not your damn opinion on the matter. |
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| Billa | May 17 2016, 01:45 PM Post #79 |
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Thala na Gethu!
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@ SSJ4 Gotenks You made a very good observation there. Goku's "I wonder" somehow gets twisted into Gohan's "gain". Not to forget how you pointed out Gohan flat-out cancelled every attributes/hype/legend surrounding the Z-sword by calling it "overrated". BURN! A pathetic, rusty & slacked dude who struggled to even lift the sword eventually learnt swinging the heavy a*** sword for goddamn hours & once Z-sword breaks.....calls it overrated. 1. Gohan did NOT made a SINGLE statement about his chi or power increase/gain 2. Not a SINGLE goddamn statement about Z-sword training actually bestowed Gohan with supernatural powers (considering its a sword from Kai's world) 3. Not even a solid, conclusive statement from Goku who's "I wonder" is frankly a slipper shot across da faces of Gohan w***ers as even after swinging heavy a*** sword for hours that's supposed to be a "training", it couldnt even convince a side character (Goku, by this point in the series as major focus was placed on Next Gen fighters as Goten, Trunks & Gohan) who has JUST fought Fat Boo & knew the extent of Majin's destructiveness Dat moment when assumptions becomes fan-made "facts" & it becomes unwritten rule to be followed by every member & any utilization of brain cells to even "question" the fan-made "facts" is replied with borderline rude & abbrasive tone. I've marked a few guys who know nothing about respect in this thread. |
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| Sam | May 17 2016, 02:22 PM Post #80 |
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It takes a mere second for treasure to turn to trash.
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Two posts removed. You guys know better. If the conversation continues in such a flaming and disrespectful manner, I will exponentially increase the punishment. There is zero wiggle room for the respect rule in the Dragonball sections. Keep your s*** together dudes, remember how small it is you're insulting each other over. A Japanese comic book, when it comes down to it. Sam |
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| * Yu Narukami | May 17 2016, 02:37 PM Post #81 |
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Izanagi!
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No, Goku's question of ''I wonder...'' leads us to the logical conclusion that he doesn't know because Gohan's strong enough to put up a fight against Boo. Do you seriously think Goku's gonna 'wonder' if he thinks that Gohan's made next to no gains? |
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| Billa | May 17 2016, 03:48 PM Post #82 |
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Thala na Gethu!
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So now your using a character's doubt in defense to Gohan's gain? Good going! Goku is not the kind of guy who gives much importance to subtlety & nuances. Flat-out admitted Jackie Chun to be stronger than him post 21st TB to Kuririn Admitted Piccolo Daimou to be superior to him in every way during their 1st Round Said Tienshinhan alone should suffice against Cyborg Tao Pai Pai @ 23rd TB. Result: Tien curbstomped Tao Acknowledged hidden potential of his son & might be only weapon to crush Cell. Result: Cell was helpless against Gohan's wrath Gamble it was, placed his faith on the super potential of hybrid kiddos with Fusion would be able to take on Boo. Result: Super Boo was at the verge of annhilation as SSJ3 Gotenks pounded mercilessly just moments before defusing. If you look at Goku's track record, his superior martial arts instinct & years of training have bestowed him to have "inside" views as well. 1. Merely touched Krillin's head & "learnt" every events that unfolded at Namek 2. Contracted heart virus. Fall sick & bed-ridden for 10 days. Knew the whole goddamn Androids, Gero & Cell conspiracy by just listening to everyone "talking" in his dreams 3. Without laying even a finger on Spopovitch, Goku deduced how his life-energy & capability to take brunt of damage as abnormal Just few examples I wish to highlight. Now when you have a guy of Goku's caliber actually....."wondering" at someone's*cough*gain*cough* it speaks volume. In short, the whole Gohan made gains by swinging Z-sword. So it puts him somewhere around Fat Boo level kinda posts/points are amateurish & invalid. Not a single point was made on Gohan's actual chi/power being raised. Hell, Gohan himself trolled the sword calling it overrated. Dafuq? Still clinging to Goku's doubt in defense to Gohan's gain? |
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| * Yu Narukami | May 17 2016, 03:53 PM Post #83 |
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Izanagi!
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Goku was ridiculously blunt with both Vegeta and Piccolo during the Cell Games, so if he thought that Gohan wouldn't stack up to Boo, why wouldn't he just say it? It's the fate of the world and potentially the Universe he's talking about, not really the time for lying or saying ''I wonder...'' if ya know that Gohan's not strong enough. Tell me, if you've got somebody of Goku's calibre wondering if Gohan can win instead of saying outright that he can't, what does it tell you? Amatuerish and invalid? You're gonna have to take it up with the character who apparently felt the need to doubt Kaioshin's statement instead of saying that Gohan didn't stand a chance. Why wouldn't Gohan know that he's that weak? He knows he's got to go up against a foe that Goku had to use SSJ3 for, so if he's nowhere near that level of power, what's he talking about? |
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| Billa | May 17 2016, 04:13 PM Post #84 |
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Thala na Gethu!
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Man, you really need to realize whatcha saying. Goku looks at things they are. Says things as they are. No hidden motives, agendas, secrets etc Which is why his "I wonder" point evoked question if Gohan made any progress at all. This was the same guy who's words instilled confidence in Gohan saying once he gets mad, he would lose to no one. But when a Dad himself doubts his son, its kinda saddening for Gohan really Lets not even get started about why Gohan doesnt know he isnt that weak. The pathetic weaboo knew he was rusty & slacked on his training. Still got nerves to join TB among the likes to Veggie, Piccolo & Goku (with 1 day pass). Would've got his a*** handed to him Knew Boo was tough as f***. Still flew at him straight only to be blasted into effin stratosphere. Had it wasnt for Kaioshin's "invisible" attack, Gohan's f***d Saw Gotenks & Piccolo absorbed. Still tried keeping his cool without realizing the deep s*** he's headed to Under these 3 instances alone, you could gauge Gohan's baffling stupidity when it comes to overestimating himself. Gohan ever since CG developed an ego that his anger or potential would hide his glaring flaws as fighter: lack of skill, interest in fighting & overall mindset of world/universal savior Peace |
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| * Yu Narukami | May 17 2016, 04:15 PM Post #85 |
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Izanagi!
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So he must think Gohan's got a chance then. If he says things as they are, he'd state that Gohan wouldn't stand a chance against Boo if that was the case. His doubt shows that he's unclear, and unless he thinks that Gohan's improved arm strength is gonna make a difference, he must be comparing Gohan's full power to Boo's. Edited by Yu Narukami, May 17 2016, 04:15 PM.
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| Saberoph | May 17 2016, 04:19 PM Post #86 |
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Yeah, I really don't see how hard it is. Kakarrot specifically says he wonders if he can beat Boo, not "did he get stronger, I wonder" |
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| + Clearin | May 17 2016, 04:26 PM Post #87 |
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This has probably already been said because 6 pages, but Goku isn't the kind of guy to beat around the bush when it comes to saying if one character can beat another. If Gohan had no chance vs Fat Boo, Goku would have said it immediately. |
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| Saberoph | May 17 2016, 04:28 PM Post #88 |
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It's within his character to be very blunt and to the point. The problem is, he keeps being taken out of character to argue against Gohan's gains. |
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| Zoom | May 18 2016, 01:24 AM Post #89 |
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Side note on the manga You're a funny guy @Nagito Komaeda Previously I disproved you about Toriyama pre-planning when you mentioned Toriyama was planning for Gohan to train for Evil Buu. I counter that with a Toriyama interview that stated he doesn't plan anything ahead besides what's in front of him, when you're arguing that Toriyama planned for Gohan to get stronger so he can face Evil Buu even though at the time there was no foreshadowing of Evil Buu, only just Fat Buu. ^ you remember that don't you? when you accused me not understanding the manga and throwing Toriyama under the bus? So, my two questions are; 1. if at that time there's only Fat Buu, why would Toriyama lead straight to Old Kaioshin's training if Z-Sword Ssj2 Gohan was only comparable to Majin fat Buu? BIG difference between Fat Buu to Evil Buu. 2. ^ the same question but why would Old Kaioshin say "you're wrong" when above was a bunch of questions asked from Goku to Gohan to east Kaioshin? ![]() ![]() and after all that you call us idiots for questioning? I don't know if you noticed, it's the Buu arc. At the end people like DarkMatter and Emmeth argues that you have Goku, the almighty and all powerful and knowing being in the Dragon Ball universe who was never been wrong and has always been blunt with his opinions didn't outright dismissed Gohan's chances so that means to them that Gohan has increased enough for his Ssj2 to be close to fat Buu who is Ssj3 level. Let me remind you of something... Toriyama in the Cell arc credited F. Trunks as getting stronger by future Cell when he Kiai him away. The keyword is stronger... not heavy workout, not arm strength, not claiming the sword is overrated, not having the legend himself old Kaioshin come out of the sword and say you're wrong. So in the end, this what they want you to believe, they have Goku the almighty, so that means everything else is gravitated towards Goku's side. --- You only have the holy word of what Goku says. According to Emmeth that's all you need, right? Even though Gohan called the sword overrated, Old Kaioshin saying you're wrong. According to you guys everything else has to be twisted and turned to suit what Goku says. You know what you guys are, the catholic church refusing to see the universe is expanding, you keep on claiming the earth is still 6.000 years old. And by the way don't think I don't know there are gangs on this forum. You have a group of members that always hates 'Super', when super fails and does something terrible there are 3 or 4 of you's (DarkMatter leading the group), s***ting of the show and religiously refuses to accept any evidence of what super showed giving each other high fives. And then they are some of you's are fair accepting the evidence of super but hates the show because of reason 'x' and 'y'. Then there's a group of trolls that says Goku is number and Kid Buu is the strongest Buu. Then there's a group of religious nuts that will do everything to keep Gotenks above Goku and vice versa. Then they are very few that has no side and goes wherever the evidence takes them. ^^^ It's funny though, Z-Sword Gohan and Gotenks Post-roSat are religiously defended and they call anyone who won't bow to their will ignorant and stupid for not understanding. It's you guys are not understanding with Gotenks. THE very piece of evidence you use = Piccolo claiming they have a chance of winning against a stronger version Buu was quickly taken away by feats and the person's own statement. But since you guys have no evidence and cannot prove your claim, you attack the opposing team with logically questions; 1. It's logically for Gotenks coming out of the roSat to be stronger = Well duh, but with Gotenks there's two questions; a) Did Gotenks Post-roSat get stronger and the answer is obviously yes. I SAID it, and I don't know why it's a surprise since I said it from the start, b) Did Gotenks Post-roSat increase enough to be surpassed his previous Ssj Gotenks Pre-roSat form? ^ the very piece of evidence you guys use to support your claim of Gotenks increasing that much is Piccolo's confidence statement about Gotenks might having a chance, but fail to realize Piccolo is the bridge that links Gotenks Post-roSat to Ssj Gotenks Pre-roSat. The manga speaks for itself with the fight between Gotenks Post-roSat base and Ssj vs Evil Buu. Then you guys try to counter with "wait, there's initial Evil Buu, then there's a powered up Evil Buu that could increase whenever he wants to, even though against Gotenks he was just standing there. But whatever.... When Evil Buu was first formed on earth Piccolo and Goku sensed him. You guys have failed to distinguish between the two forms. ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]()
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| EMIYA | May 18 2016, 02:18 AM Post #90 |
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"I am the bone of my sword."
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Then let's make it easy. All you really got to do is answer this question, or several retraining to the same point. 1.) Why was Goku not just blunt with either Gohan or Kaioshin when they made the notion that Gohan could defeat Boo if he transformed? Goku's always been blunt and that's a point we've made a lot in this topic. That Goku doesn't skirt the line and says it how it is. He's made that point with Piccolo, he's made that point with Vegeta, he's kind of dick about it to be honest. Why not just be the same here and just tell Kaioshin and Gohan that, no, Gohan still isn't strong enough. 2.) Why doesn't Gohan speak up? If anyone should be speaking up, it's Gohan, the guy doing the training. By all means if he's weaker than Vegeta and the likes, he should be one of the first to speak up against Kaioshin. Instead, he starts acting high and mighty due to the strength increase he's made with the Zeta-Sword. You get those questions answered and all issues are solved really. But until then, Goku's remark stands. The difference between Goku being told a combination of him, Vegeta and Gohan being unable to defeat Fat Boo and Zeta Gohan being given an uncertanity in defeating Fat Boo. I mean in the end, that's more confidence on Gohan's part than it is for Vegeta. |
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