Z-Sword Gohan vs Vegeta

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Z-Sword Gohan vs Vegeta
Tweet Topic Started: Apr 26 2016, 12:42 AM (4,816 Views)
+ Son-Goku	Apr 26 2016, 12:42 AM Post #1
孫悟空 Posts: 13,359 Group: Elite Member Member #12,886 Joined: January 24, 2016 Gender Male Country United States Favourite Anime DB/DBZ/DBS, Code Geass, Gintama, YYH, Death Note, and SAO. What Browser do you use? Google Chrome Favourite Manga Dragon Ball, Fairy Tail, and Naruto.	This is Gohan after he had mastered the Z-Sword and this is Vegeta at the beginning of the Tournament Saga. Gohan is not using the Z-Sword. Who wins?
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Slifer	Apr 26 2016, 12:54 AM Post #2
Posts: 3,488 Group: Member Member #10,141 Joined: September 7, 2013	Goku pondered on the possibility of Gohan being strong enough to beat Fat Boo. While he likely wasn't, the gap is implied to be somewhat close. Gohan one-shots.



+ Son-Goku	Apr 26 2016, 12:59 AM Post #3
孫悟空 Posts: 13,359 Group: Elite Member Member #12,886 Joined: January 24, 2016 Gender Male Country United States Favourite Anime DB/DBZ/DBS, Code Geass, Gintama, YYH, Death Note, and SAO. What Browser do you use? Google Chrome Favourite Manga Dragon Ball, Fairy Tail, and Naruto.	Mr. Hashbrowns Apr 26 2016, 12:54 AM Goku pondered on the possibility of Gohan being strong enough to beat Fat Boo. While he likely wasn't, the gap is implied to be somewhat close. Gohan one-shots. One shots? I'm surprised that you would say that.
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+ Six Trails	Apr 26 2016, 01:00 AM Post #4
Posts: 1,570 Group: Elite Member Member #11,764 Joined: October 23, 2014 Gender Not Specified Country United States	Gohan wins with ease. He's at least stronger than Goku in equal forms since he handled the Zeta Sword better than Goku did.



Slifer	Apr 26 2016, 01:02 AM Post #5
Posts: 3,488 Group: Member Member #10,141 Joined: September 7, 2013	SSbardock84 Apr 26 2016, 12:59 AM Mr. Hashbrowns Apr 26 2016, 12:54 AM Goku pondered on the possibility of Gohan being strong enough to beat Fat Boo. While he likely wasn't, the gap is implied to be somewhat close. Gohan one-shots. One shots? I'm surprised that you would say that. Fat Boo: 100 Gohan post-sword: 85-90 Vegeta pre-Majin: 20-25 Vegeta has no chance.



EMIYA	Apr 26 2016, 01:03 AM Post #6
"I am the bone of my sword." Posts: 11,326 Group: Super Moderator Member #8,292 Joined: September 16, 2012 Gender Not Specified Country United States Favourite Anime Clannad, Shinsekai Yori What Browser do you use? Mozilla Firefox Favourite Manga Hellsing, Elfen Lied, Trigun Maximum	Gohan crushes. You have to understand that it was made very clear that even if SSj2 Goku, Vegeta and Gohan went at Fat Boo, they'd be destroyed because he was just as a whole other level. The fact that Kaioshin can say that Gohan may be able to defeat Fatty and Goku's first response wasn't to smack Kaioshin's dumb head off on the spot says far more for Gohan than it will ever say for Vegeta, be it Tournament, Majin or otherwise.



+ Son-Goku	Apr 26 2016, 01:17 AM Post #7
孫悟空 Posts: 13,359 Group: Elite Member Member #12,886 Joined: January 24, 2016 Gender Male Country United States Favourite Anime DB/DBZ/DBS, Code Geass, Gintama, YYH, Death Note, and SAO. What Browser do you use? Google Chrome Favourite Manga Dragon Ball, Fairy Tail, and Naruto.	I think that Gohan wins but I don't think this is any stomp. The Supreme Kai was impressed by how far Gohan had come. But Goku knew that Gohan still wouldn't stand a chance against Buu.
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Slifer	Apr 26 2016, 01:29 AM Post #8
Posts: 3,488 Group: Member Member #10,141 Joined: September 7, 2013	SSbardock84 Apr 26 2016, 01:17 AM But Goku knew that Gohan still wouldn't stand a chance against Buu. Then why not say that outright instead of "I wonder"?



Zoom	Apr 26 2016, 01:53 AM Post #9
Posts: 3,426 Group: Member Member #12,146 Joined: March 16, 2015 Gender Male	Mr. Hashbrowns Apr 26 2016, 01:29 AM SSbardock84 Apr 26 2016, 01:17 AM But Goku knew that Gohan still wouldn't stand a chance against Buu. Then why not say that outright instead of "I wonder"? Quote: Chapter: 471 (DBZ 277), P10.2-4 Kaioshin: “I want Gohan to use the Z Sword to defeat Majin Boo. Knowing him, he should definitely be able to use it.” Kibito: “A-are you serious, Lord Kaioshin…?!! There’s no way that some human would be able to use the Z Sword!! That legendary sword which not merely myself, but numerous Kaioshins were utterly unable to handle…” Kaioshin: “You were dead, Kibito, so you didn’t get to see Gohan here’s unbelievably tremendous power.” Chapter: 479 (DBZ 285), P5.2-4 Context: when the Z Sword breaks, after Gohan trained with it for a day Gohan: “But…thanks to that, my arm strength has increased a lot. That Z Sword was incredibly heavy, after all…Perhaps this was what they meant by me obtaining the greatest power in the world.” Kaioshin: “I-I get it…If he’s acquired that much power in his regular state, then if he becomes a Super Saiyan it will become an even more substantial power-up…! Ye-yeah! That’s it! That’s definitely the greatest power in the world…!” Goku: “…But…Is he greater than Majin Boo?...I wonder…” Point 1, arm strength has already been proven that it has little to do with power, ki size and the control of it is more important. Point 2, the greatest power in the world is actually from training with old Kaioshin and not swinging around the z-sword which didn't start until the z-sword was broken.



* Yu Narukami	Apr 26 2016, 02:24 AM Post #10
Izanagi! Posts: 12,330 Group: Retired Staff Member #6,446 Joined: July 3, 2011 Gender Not Specified Country None	SSj4 Gotenks Apr 26 2016, 01:53 AM Mr. Hashbrowns Apr 26 2016, 01:29 AM SSbardock84 Apr 26 2016, 01:17 AM But Goku knew that Gohan still wouldn't stand a chance against Buu. Then why not say that outright instead of "I wonder"? Quote: Chapter: 471 (DBZ 277), P10.2-4 Kaioshin: “I want Gohan to use the Z Sword to defeat Majin Boo. Knowing him, he should definitely be able to use it.” Kibito: “A-are you serious, Lord Kaioshin…?!! There’s no way that some human would be able to use the Z Sword!! That legendary sword which not merely myself, but numerous Kaioshins were utterly unable to handle…” Kaioshin: “You were dead, Kibito, so you didn’t get to see Gohan here’s unbelievably tremendous power.” Chapter: 479 (DBZ 285), P5.2-4 Context: when the Z Sword breaks, after Gohan trained with it for a day Gohan: “But…thanks to that, my arm strength has increased a lot. That Z Sword was incredibly heavy, after all…Perhaps this was what they meant by me obtaining the greatest power in the world.” Kaioshin: “I-I get it…If he’s acquired that much power in his regular state, then if he becomes a Super Saiyan it will become an even more substantial power-up…! Ye-yeah! That’s it! That’s definitely the greatest power in the world…!” Goku: “…But…Is he greater than Majin Boo?...I wonder…” Point 1, arm strength has already been proven that it has little to do with power, ki size and the control of it is more important. Point 2, the greatest power in the world is actually from training with old Kaioshin and not swinging around the z-sword which didn't start until the z-sword was broken. Is Goku wondering whether Gohan can beat Boo with superior arm strength? His Ki must've changed; Goku knows that punching Boo around isn't going to do anything, yet he still wonders if Gohan can beat Boo. The only efficient way to take down Boo would be using Ki attacks, so his Ki must've increased immensely.



Slifer	Apr 26 2016, 02:29 AM Post #11
Posts: 3,488 Group: Member Member #10,141 Joined: September 7, 2013	Quote: Point 1, arm strength has already been proven that it has little to do with power, ki size and the control of it is more important. Yet Goku still wonders about Gohan's chances instead of immediately shooting him down. Quote: Point 2, the greatest power in the world is actually from training with old Kaioshin and not swinging around the z-sword which didn't start until the z-sword was broken. This has no relevance to what's being discussed. Of course the ritual shot Gohan's power to an unprecedented level compared to before. That doesn't negate Gohan's gains with the sword, however.



Zoom	Apr 26 2016, 02:50 AM Post #12
Posts: 3,426 Group: Member Member #12,146 Joined: March 16, 2015 Gender Male	Mr. Hashbrowns Apr 26 2016, 02:29 AM Quote: Point 1, arm strength has already been proven that it has little to do with power, ki size and the control of it is more important. Yet Goku still wonders about Gohan's chances instead of immediately shooting him down. Quote: Point 2, the greatest power in the world is actually from training with old Kaioshin and not swinging around the z-sword which didn't start until the z-sword was broken. This has no relevance to what's being discussed. Of course the ritual shot Gohan's power to an unprecedented level compared to before. That doesn't negate Gohan's gains with the sword, however. Yes it does, since Gohan was JUST swinging around the z-sword and East Kaioshin was being optimistic about using the z-sword as the weapon to finally defeat Buu. Old Kaioshin comes out of the sword and say nope, you call that training... so whatever east Kaioshin thought Gohan could achieve with training with the z-sword goes out of the window because Old Kaioshin comes into the picture and dismisses that as training. So therefore Old Kaioshin is the legend that the Kaioshins speak of. Quote: Is Goku wondering whether Gohan can beat Boo with superior arm strength? His Ki must've changed; Goku knows that punching Boo around isn't going to do anything, yet he still wonders if Gohan can beat Boo. The only efficient way to take down Boo would be using Ki attacks, so his Ki must've increased immensely. So how much did Goku increase in strength when he was training with 40tons?



Slifer	Apr 26 2016, 03:00 AM Post #13
Posts: 3,488 Group: Member Member #10,141 Joined: September 7, 2013	Quote: Yes it does, since Gohan was JUST swinging around the z-sword and East Kaioshin was being optimistic about using the z-sword as the weapon to finally defeat Buu. And Goku doesn't entirely disagree with Kaioshin. He merely ponders on whether or not it'd be enough. Goku's not the type to troll someone about their chances to to win a fight, especially given the context of this situation. He told Piccolo straight up that he was trash to Cell. He just recently told Piccolo he didn't have a chance against Frost. He taunted Vegeta at how weak he was compared to himself. But here he was happily ready to send his son to certain death on a lie? Quote: So how much did Goku increase in strength when he was training with 40tons? We have no idea considering no statements are given to even hint at any progression. With Gohan's case, there is.



Zoom	Apr 26 2016, 03:37 AM Post #14
Posts: 3,426 Group: Member Member #12,146 Joined: March 16, 2015 Gender Male	Mr. Hashbrowns Apr 26 2016, 03:00 AM Quote: Yes it does, since Gohan was JUST swinging around the z-sword and East Kaioshin was being optimistic about using the z-sword as the weapon to finally defeat Buu. And Goku doesn't entirely disagree with Kaioshin. He merely ponders on whether or not it'd be enough. Goku's not the type to troll someone about their chances to to win a fight, especially given the context of this situation. He told Piccolo straight up that he was trash to Cell. He just recently told Piccolo he didn't have a chance against Frost. He taunted Vegeta at how weak he was compared to himself. But here he was happily ready to send his son to certain death on a lie? Quote: So how much did Goku increase in strength when he was training with 40tons? We have no idea considering no statements are given to even hint at any progression. With Gohan's case, there is. Quote: Chapter: 479 (DBZ 285), P5.2-4 Context: when the Z Sword breaks, after Gohan trained with it for a day Gohan: “But…thanks to that, my arm strength has increased a lot. That Z Sword was incredibly heavy, after all…Perhaps this was what they meant by me obtaining the greatest power in the world.” Kaioshin: “I-I get it…If he’s acquired that much power in his regular state, then if he becomes a Super Saiyan it will become an even more substantial power-up…! Ye-yeah! That’s it! That’s definitely the greatest power in the world…!” Goku: “…But…Is he greater than Majin Boo?...I wonder…” That Z Sword was incredibly heavy, after all…Perhaps this was what they meant by me obtaining the greatest power in the world.” = false statement, read what east Kaioshin says "That's it! That's definitely the greatest power in the world" = all wrong because it's old Kaioshins ability(by unlocking all of his hidden potential and way past it) that allows Gohan to beat Buu not the sword. So maybe something like all Gohan's potential = past Ssj3 level and Fat Buu and past his limits obviously allows Gohan to surpass Evil Buu. But Goku is the person that believes in his son. What was Goku going to say to his son, who was one of two of earth's last hope? The other being Gotenks who Goku left to defeat Buu.



Omega Z	Apr 26 2016, 08:50 PM Post #15
Destroyer of Hopes and Dreams Posts: 226 Group: Member Member #12,213 Joined: April 3, 2015 Gender Male Country Canada Favourite Anime One Punch Man / HunterXHunter / My Hero Academia What Browser do you use? Google Chrome Favourite Manga Dragon Ball / One Piece / Berserk	Post-Transformation Zarbon kicked Initial Namek Arc Vegeta's sh1t in with a chi gap that's less then x1.2 I'm thinking Z-Sword Gohan has at least over a x3 chi gap on Pre-Majin Vegeta, so unless Gohan's still as rusty as he was in the beginning of the arc, I would say that Gohan wins without too much difficulty. Gohan wins.
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