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| Tweet Topic Started: Apr 25 2016, 01:54 AM (1,481 Views) | |
| + Havoc_Wreaker | Apr 25 2016, 05:13 AM Post #16 |
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These are public bathrooms, that essentially means anybody can access them and if someone is going to sexually assault someone it can happen even NOW. Nothing is going to change, and I would love to share some evidence or stats right now but I assure you sexual assault committed in bathrooms are very slim. To put the nail in the coffin if you don't agree with this, you have people who have completed or half completed sex changes going into awkward situations. If I'm a woman and I've had a sex change and now am a Transgendered male who has a beard and dresses like a man, if I have to go into the women's bathroom, that's going to be pretty awkward... Edited by Havoc_Wreaker, Apr 25 2016, 05:14 AM.
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Apr 25 2016, 05:43 AM Post #17 |
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I concur. It's a good, simple system. |
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| Copy_Ninja | Apr 25 2016, 02:16 PM Post #18 |
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Reasons why this argument is both stupid and offensive: - There is no evidence that allowing transgender people to use the bathroom of their choice leads to increase in sexual assaults. None. Zip. Zilch. Nada. Nothing. 0/100. Swing and a miss. The whole 'bathroom predator' thing is a myth. - Do you honestly think this will lead to men dressing up as women in order to assault them in public bathrooms? Anyone crazy enough to actually attempt an assault in such a public place where getting caught is pretty f***ing easy is not going to care about whether they are allowed in there in the first place or not. - Or is the argument about actual trans people assaulting women? Because that then presents an opinion that trans women are more likely to sexually assault people which is ridiculous/offensive and does not line up with reality. It's actually the other way around and trans women are far more likely to be the victims of sexual assault. - Denying transexual people the right to use the bathroom that aligns with their preferred gender is harmful to allowing them to live their life as that preferred gender. These people get enough s*** as it is, do we really need laws that add to that as well? - Also the laws are almost impossible to enforce, all they do is spread a transphobic message and create a more toxic atmosphere, which is what they're doing right now. Pretty much sums up my view on it. |
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| + Clearin | Apr 25 2016, 03:08 PM Post #19 |
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So the only thing stopping rapists from raping women in restrooms was the sign on the door telling them they're the wrong gender to enter? They must have some pretty f***ed up sense of morals if they draw the line at going into a bathroom that they're not allowed in, rather than at raping someone. |
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| Dankness Lava | Apr 25 2016, 03:21 PM Post #20 |
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Regardless of all this, bathrooms should be genital based, not "gender" based. Also, what about transgender women? Edited by Dankness Lava, Apr 25 2016, 03:29 PM.
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| + Pelador | Apr 25 2016, 03:33 PM Post #21 |
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Genitals are irrelevant. It should be how one identifies themselves mentally. |
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| Buuberries | Apr 25 2016, 03:37 PM Post #22 |
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or we can do the common-sense thing and have them based on gender AND sex. have places build an extra toilet, or if they're cheapskates then just add an extra symbol to toilets for disabled people. bish bash bosh. sorted |
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| Dankness Lava | Apr 25 2016, 03:44 PM Post #23 |
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Well whatever, the whole thing just seems a bit silly to me. |
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| Buuberries | Apr 25 2016, 03:54 PM Post #24 |
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why is it silly |
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| Dankness Lava | Apr 25 2016, 03:59 PM Post #25 |
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Well, I believe these people are just very confused. I don't have a problem with them getting their own bathroom or using the one they consider their gender, but I'm not sure it's necesaary, or the way to go even.
Edited by Dankness Lava, Apr 25 2016, 04:00 PM.
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| + Havoc_Wreaker | Apr 25 2016, 04:06 PM Post #26 |
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Getting their own bathroom I believe would be offensive and would just be a way to segregate them. It's basically saying " hey you don't belong as either a male and female, here's a special bathroom for you." I would be insulted if I was a transgendered individual. |
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| Dankness Lava | Apr 25 2016, 04:11 PM Post #27 |
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I don't see why offense should be taken, nor does the making of their own bathrooms need to be taken that way. |
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| Copy_Ninja | Apr 25 2016, 04:36 PM Post #28 |
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I strongly encourage you to learn a bit more about gender dysphoria and transgenderism in general because I think some of your views on this are coloured by a lack of knowledge on it. Saying that people are 'just confused' is wrong. Gender dysphoria is a very real and well documented psychological condition. You can't just treat people to get over it or work through it so that they don't feel like that anymore, by far the most effective way to deal with it so these people can live happy and fulfilling lives is for them to transition to the gender they associate themselves with. It would be like saying that people who suffer from clinical depression are 'feeling a bit sad.' (Not that plenty of people don't say that but poor societal attitudes to mental health are another thing). As a society, or even on a personal level as good people, we have an interest in trying to make things easier for other people. Transgender people's lives would be so much better if we treat them and their choices with respect. That includes referring to them by their preferred gender and encouraging them to live their lives the way they want. Which is why people we have agreed are a certain gender should be able to go to use that bathroom. To you, a person without these issues, a bathroom seems like no big deal. To a transgendered person, it's an affirmation of who they are and is rightly very important to them. Segregation, even in the case of something like a bathroom, treats transgendered people like an 'other' that doesn't belong with the rest of society which is something they are fighting against already. |
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Apr 25 2016, 05:31 PM Post #29 |
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All of these arguments I've seen against the transgender bathroom idea are proving that rape culture exists. That's interesting. |
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| + Ssj3vegito96 | Apr 25 2016, 05:41 PM Post #30 |
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This is putting transgenders at risk too though isn't it? It's like 60 or 65% of transgenders get sexually assaulted in their life time. Yet you want to put women in male bathrooms because they identify as a man. You're raising their risk of getting assaulted even more There's already been cases of men going into women's changing rooms pretending to be transgender. Idk I don't like to give people too much benefit of the doubt. I just don't want people taking advantage of this loophole Edited by Ssj3vegito96, Apr 25 2016, 05:46 PM.
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