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goku ssb x 10 vs beerus
Topic Started: Apr 18 2016, 07:11 AM (2,398 Views)
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I frankly doubt Toei would go this far without Toriyama's approval.
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Apr 18 2016, 11:09 PM
Logically there is zero chance of Goku losing this fight.
Logically Hit should be bloody mist after a slap from Kaioken x10 Goku, but yet he stands
That's because as he's getting pounded he improves.
He improved to the point where he could take a hit from someone 10x his current strength just as Goku's fist hit his face?
Yeah, that's exactly what looks like is happening.
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Apr 19 2016, 12:58 AM
Beerus wins because Toriyama stated he has no intention of having Goku surpass him. It's stupid as hell when you consider the things that are said and done in the Battle of Gods arc, but it is what it is.

Toriyama is stating to sound like a bad fanfic writer, and Beerus and Whis are his OCs.

This is something a fanfic writer would say: "No matter how many times Goku trains, he will never surpass my characters."

That Just BS.
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yeah beerus still wins imo whoever disagrees with this is disagreeing with toriyama.maybe after the next arc goku surppasses beerus but not in the current or next arc no way.no one thinks they know better than toriyama no one people who says goku surpassed beerus are just gasping at straws
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Super's Beerus-sama is undoubtedly stronger than his BoG counterpart, so I don't think AT's 6/10/15 would apply anyway.

That being said, I think SSJB Kaioken is below Beerus, but incredibly close to the purple cat man.
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Apr 19 2016, 01:10 AM
I frankly doubt Toei would go this far without Toriyama's approval.
To be perfectly fair though, this isn't the first time Toei Animation just went overboard on stuff and added things. From what I recall, Toriyama himself isn't that involved with the anime as he is with the manga. Most likely, Toei is taking what is done in the manga and then just adding in some new stuff on their own. It was probably just like it was in the original series where Toriyama was merely a feedback person and wasn't directly involved. Hence why the anime implements so many different things in it and makes huge changes to what Toriyama originally envisioned.
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But you have to ask yourself, would they really do something this drastic without Toriyama telling them to? If Toriyama had only intended on a x2 Kaio-ken, this would be a colossal f***-up the likes of which we've never seen.
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Apr 19 2016, 07:57 PM
But you have to ask yourself, would they really do something this drastic without Toriyama telling them to? If Toriyama had only intended on a x2 Kaio-ken, this would be a colossal f***-up the likes of which we've never seen.
I'd argue Gohan fighting Freeza after Freeza knocks out Goku is one just as sin worthy.
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I imagine it would just looked like "oh we made Goku a more powerful than Toriyama intended. Oops." to TOEI at large. Not taking into account relative power or the power scales or power levels or anything of that nature.
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But you have to ask yourself, would they really do something this drastic without Toriyama telling them to? If Toriyama had only intended on a x2 Kaio-ken, this would be a colossal f***-up the likes of which we've never seen.
I'd argue Gohan fighting Freeza after Freeza knocks out Goku is one just as sin worthy.
Are you talking about that filler scene on Namek? Freeza powered down in that instance, and Gohan's attacks still didn't really do anything after he got angry.
EDIT: Now, that I think about it, this isn't out of line. Toei did make Pure Boo the strongest Boo, which is equally if not more egregious.
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Also Boohan threatening the universe. That was another thing.
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Just how is beerus still stronger than him:
SSB Goku is already close to beerus.
with a Kaioken x2 he should easily beat him.
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My view is that Goku has a higher power level, but that his ssjgssjkkx10 form makes Golden Freeza look like a marathon runner.
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What's even more weird is that Beerus was nervous at the prospect of Goku using Kaio-ken on him before he even started stacking Kaio-ken. The writers seriously need to think this s*** through:
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17:18 | Goku: "I've added the Kaiō-ken to Super Saiyan Blue's power!"
 18:02 | Beerus: "He was planning to use that against me?!"
 18:06 | Whis: "Oh? A bit worried, are you?"
 18:11 | Beerus: "As if!"
 18:13 | Whis: "Oh? Then what were you thinking?"
 18:16 | Beerus: "Just that if he had such a convenient move, he shouldn't be so reluctant to use it!"
 18:21 | Vegeta: "He's only saying that because he doesn't know the Kaiō-ken. The Kaiō-ken may enhance your fighting abilities, but in exchange, it burns through your stamina like nothing else!
 18:21 | Elder Kaiōshin: And Super Saiyan on its own already forces the body far past its limits, so using that technique on top of Super Saiyan is practically suicide! I'm sure that's why he's kept the Kaiō-ken off limits for so long."
 19:13 | Goku: "I thought maybe I could pull it off..."
 19:17 | Goku: "...as the strong and calm Super Saiyan Blue, which gives me perfect ki control!"

Significance: In case there was any question, Goku's 10x Kaiō-ken is a multiplication of Super Saiyan Blue's power. Beerus seems worried, but denies it when questioned by Whis. This is before Goku's power multiplies tenfold. Vegeta reminds the audience of the Kaiō-ken's major flaw, while Goku refers to SSB as strong & calm with "perfect ki control".
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That, combined with Goku not instantly one shotting Hit, makes one think Kaioken x10 is not in fact x10
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