How Fast is Goku Now? (SPOILERS)

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How Fast is Goku Now? (SPOILERS)
Tweet Topic Started: Apr 17 2016, 10:34 PM (19,597 Views)
BioBroly288	Apr 17 2016, 10:34 PM Post #1
Saiyan Of Legend Posts: 602 Group: Member Member #9,511 Joined: May 18, 2013 Gender Male Favourite Anime DBZ What Browser do you use? Google Chrome Favourite Manga DBZ	If you guys saw episode 39 of Dragon Ball Super, Goku incorporates his Kaioken technique with his Super Sayian blue form Multiplying all of the forms attributes (Speed and Power) 10x. Hit uses an improved version of his time leap (Which can now stop time for half a second) yet Goku was moving a abnormal speeds that he was still able to move even when Hit Stop time Meaning Goku Can move so fast that he can bypass the time barrier. [FLASH=250,250][URL=http://makeagif.com/0vYf7B][/URL][/FLASH] Edited by BioBroly288, Apr 17 2016, 10:44 PM.

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Tinny	Apr 19 2016, 10:21 PM Post #91
Posts: 6,060 Group: Super Moderator Member #12,355 Joined: May 24, 2015 Gender Not Specified Favourite Anime Silver Spoon, Fate/Zero, Legend of Galactic Heroes, Space Patrol Luluco, Psycho-pass, Miss Kobayashi What Browser do you use? Chrome, Edge Favourite Manga Wizard's Soul ~Holy War of Love~	Ssj3vegito96 Apr 19 2016, 10:15 PM We aren't explicitly told that simply having a power level so much higher just negates time leap so it doesn't work on them. It could still be that gokus moving so fast he gets past it. I still think it was for dramatic effect but you do make a fair point I know the arena is relatively small when we're talking about lightspeed but I don't see how it matters. Again, all I'm seeing is that hit charges, freezes time, but goku was able to hit him because he's much faster and knows how to counter time leap. I don't see how anything there has anything to do witg light speed. Why does it matter if hit failed? Then he'd never been effected by it. I mean headcanon I guess, but in a feats perspective, I can't in good faith say that he's faster than time. well, do you think they're light speed? If you're trying to say they're FTL, then the size of the arena, the area Hit covered (let's just assume it's the length of the arena for now), and the time that he covered it in is really important here. Again from a feat perspective that is gonna be usable in Other (and lately Dragon Ball) Versus, these things are important. I could just say that Nox can stop time, but from a feat perspective I look at it more deeply, study the mechanics, and come out explaining what it is. Which is why I called Nox's time stop a lower grade time stop when compared to Dio's time stop. This entire thread is essentially asking what Goku can do in combat, a question of feats, and showcased a feat right there. As such I'm gonna look at it like I'm looking at a feat. It matters if he failed because if I'm gonna have any honesty when I debate, I need to know what happened in a moment and analyze it when I talk about his speed. Also of course it has dramatic effect, it's the climax of the episode. But the way the dramatic effect was handled tells me more about how it works. I'm not gonna lie to myself about what happened. What's going on there is that the time leap is not a true time stop a la DIO's The World. It's more like Nox's to a higher degree. Edited by Tinny, Apr 19 2016, 10:23 PM.
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+ Ssj3vegito96	Apr 19 2016, 10:28 PM Post #92
Posts: 10,327 Group: Elite Member Member #10,438 Joined: November 2, 2013 Gender Male Country United States Favourite Anime Dragon ball/Z/GT/S, Fullmetal Alchemist:Brotherhood, One Punch Man Favourite Manga DB/Z/S	Hit also slowed down a lot in that scene so unless the scene is for dramatic effect it doesn't make sense either But you're not answering my question. I know if someone can't cross that distance in .1 second they aren't faster than light. But how do you know he didn't? What does goku punching hit have to do with it? Btw I don't know who those characters are lol Edited by Ssj3vegito96, Apr 19 2016, 10:29 PM.
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Tinny	Apr 19 2016, 10:37 PM Post #93
Posts: 6,060 Group: Super Moderator Member #12,355 Joined: May 24, 2015 Gender Not Specified Favourite Anime Silver Spoon, Fate/Zero, Legend of Galactic Heroes, Space Patrol Luluco, Psycho-pass, Miss Kobayashi What Browser do you use? Chrome, Edge Favourite Manga Wizard's Soul ~Holy War of Love~	Ssj3vegito96 Apr 19 2016, 10:28 PM Hit also slowed down a lot in that scene so unless the scene is for dramatic effect it doesn't make sense either But you're not answering my question. I know if someone can't cross that distance in .1 second they aren't faster than light. But how do you know he didn't? What does goku punching hit have to do with it? Btw I don't know who those characters are lol The scene is for dramatic effect but the stuff that happens in it showcases that Goku has frozen in time. If they both were in color it'd be one thing, if neither were in color it'd be one thing. If only Hit was in the shot before cutting to Goku in color it'd be one thing. It's not. What do you mean how do I know he didn't? let's assume the arena is ten times the length of a boxing ring (I've done this before but bear with me.) that's 760 meters. If he's light speed, he should be able to make that distance over 390,000 times (specifically 394,463.7605263158). And unless Goku can move through time in regular ssjgssj (making the entire climax of the episode meaningless), then he must have punched Hit after the time leap ended right? So by the end of the Time Leap Hit hasn't crossed the gap and punched Goku, otherwise I doubt Goku would have been able to punch Hit. If he were light speed, he'd be able to make that distance and get at least one punch in. Likely several. Nox is one of my favorite characters of all time and personally I think he blows all of Dragon Ball (from DB to DBS) out of the water. If I'm not making exceptions for him, why should I make exceptions for anyone else?
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+ Ssj3vegito96	Apr 19 2016, 10:39 PM Post #94
Posts: 10,327 Group: Elite Member Member #10,438 Joined: November 2, 2013 Gender Male Country United States Favourite Anime Dragon ball/Z/GT/S, Fullmetal Alchemist:Brotherhood, One Punch Man Favourite Manga DB/Z/S	Actually...I just noticed that hit shouldn't have taken that long to be shocked by goku moving if he had been moving the whole time. So... Yeah right now I'm going to agree that his power level was high enough so the time skip wouldn't work on him Edit: And the grey color yeah edit 2: they're both in grey Edited by Ssj3vegito96, Apr 19 2016, 10:48 PM.
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+ Ssj3vegito96	Apr 19 2016, 10:49 PM Post #95
Posts: 10,327 Group: Elite Member Member #10,438 Joined: November 2, 2013 Gender Male Country United States Favourite Anime Dragon ball/Z/GT/S, Fullmetal Alchemist:Brotherhood, One Punch Man Favourite Manga DB/Z/S	Ok... It took me another to watch to see what you're talking about lol sorry. So hit started the time leap and by the time he got to him and punched him and ended the time leap it had been .1 second and goku also punched him...something along those lines right?
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Tinny	Apr 19 2016, 10:50 PM Post #96
Posts: 6,060 Group: Super Moderator Member #12,355 Joined: May 24, 2015 Gender Not Specified Favourite Anime Silver Spoon, Fate/Zero, Legend of Galactic Heroes, Space Patrol Luluco, Psycho-pass, Miss Kobayashi What Browser do you use? Chrome, Edge Favourite Manga Wizard's Soul ~Holy War of Love~	Ssj3vegito96 Apr 19 2016, 10:49 PM Ok... It took me another to watch to see what you're talking about lol sorry. So hit started the time leap and by the time he got to him and punched him and ended the time leap it had been .1 second and goku also punched him...something along those lines right? Yes, that is what I'm talking about it.
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+ Ssj3vegito96	Apr 19 2016, 10:53 PM Post #97
Posts: 10,327 Group: Elite Member Member #10,438 Joined: November 2, 2013 Gender Male Country United States Favourite Anime Dragon ball/Z/GT/S, Fullmetal Alchemist:Brotherhood, One Punch Man Favourite Manga DB/Z/S	Alright cool. Makes sense. Sorry I should've given one more closer watch earlier that's my bad But what do we make of goku vs beerus now? Going by goku vs hit alone goku may not be light speed but beerus definitely is...like hundreds of millions or billions or whatever times faster especially in combat speed and goku keeping up with a suppressed beerus has to account for something no?
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Tinny	Apr 19 2016, 10:58 PM Post #98
Posts: 6,060 Group: Super Moderator Member #12,355 Joined: May 24, 2015 Gender Not Specified Favourite Anime Silver Spoon, Fate/Zero, Legend of Galactic Heroes, Space Patrol Luluco, Psycho-pass, Miss Kobayashi What Browser do you use? Chrome, Edge Favourite Manga Wizard's Soul ~Holy War of Love~	Ssj3vegito96 Apr 19 2016, 10:53 PM Alright cool. Makes sense. Sorry I should've given one more closer watch earlier that's my bad But what do we make of goku vs beerus now? Going by goku vs hit alone goku may not be light speed but beerus definitely is...like hundreds of millions or billions or whatever times faster especially in combat speed and goku keeping up with a suppressed beerus has to account for something no? Honestly I figure their immediate speed (the speed they'd use in combat while going back and forth and so) is slower than their speed over a length of time. And honestly depending on how you view the scale, no. If you have Beerus massively more poweful and think the 5/10/15 scale isn't true anymore, then it doesn't. The way I see it is as this is the newest thing, (and there's still the possibility that the movies are canon rather than the first two arcs), and thus takes precedence. Not to mention even in DBS saiyans without any ki could still keep up with Beerus and Goku fighting, not to mention through out all of the U6 Arc Bulma and Jaco are able to keep up just fine.
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~~Wong Lee~~	Apr 19 2016, 11:02 PM Post #99
Posts: 184 Group: Suspended Member #12,135 Joined: March 13, 2015 Gender Male Favourite Anime ex-Driver What Browser do you use? Netscape Favourite Manga none	I personally don't think Goku broke the time barrier. It's just that Hit's Time Leap's time limit must have ran out before he could reach Goku and strike. Also, a person doesn't directly start with his Max Speed. He/She will have to start with a speed 0 units and then increase(or accelerate) to his Max Speed Limit. And this increment(or acceleration) to Max speed also takes some time which most people over look or don't take into account.That is Hit most likely never gets to use his Max Speed during the Time Leap's time period. So yeah, I don't think Goku broke the time barrier but it was just that Hit's Time Leap's time limit ran out, so Goku got free at the right time and was already prepared to make his move. I think it was this state of Goku being prepared to attack him that surprised Hit.



+ Ssj3vegito96	Apr 19 2016, 11:04 PM Post #100
Posts: 10,327 Group: Elite Member Member #10,438 Joined: November 2, 2013 Gender Male Country United States Favourite Anime Dragon ball/Z/GT/S, Fullmetal Alchemist:Brotherhood, One Punch Man Favourite Manga DB/Z/S	But their combat speed has never been that much slower than their travel speed. In fact it's always been several times faster. Why would it be this much slower now? Jaco is an exception. I don't remember bulma being able to see everything happening but if she could it's an outlier
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* Yu Narukami	Apr 19 2016, 11:05 PM Post #101
Izanagi! Posts: 12,330 Group: Retired Staff Member #6,446 Joined: July 3, 2011 Gender Not Specified Country None	Goku was moving within the Time Leap though. You can see that it's still active by the background. Even then, you'd have to argue that Hit couldn't cross that distance in 0.5 seconds, because Goku starts moving before Hit even gets to him.



+ Majin Vegeta	Apr 19 2016, 11:08 PM Post #102
The resident GT fan! Posts: 8,522 Group: Elite Member Member #9,206 Joined: March 17, 2013 Gender Male Country Greece Favourite Anime DragonBall/Z/GT, Code Geass,Attack on Titan, Death Note, Naruto What Browser do you use? Safari Favourite Manga DragonBall/Z, Naruto, Death Note, Yugioh!	Just gonna drop this cause I saw the entire thread but if Hit really does stop time and nothing else and if what Tinny said (changed da username I see) then Hit is basically slower than Master Roshi and Krillin back in 21th Budokai, they could fight an entire battle in 0.2 seconds IRRC. Hit is also slower than SSJ Gotenks, Namek Goku, Saiyan Arc Goku etc. Perhaps there's more to this "time skip ability" but I don't really know. I just think AT wrote all this without giving a damn about speed feats and just wanted to progress th story (nothing new for him).
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+ Ssj3vegito96	Apr 19 2016, 11:11 PM Post #103
Posts: 10,327 Group: Elite Member Member #10,438 Joined: November 2, 2013 Gender Male Country United States Favourite Anime Dragon ball/Z/GT/S, Fullmetal Alchemist:Brotherhood, One Punch Man Favourite Manga DB/Z/S	Majin Vegeta Apr 19 2016, 11:08 PM Just gonna drop this cause I saw the entire thread but if Hit really does stop time and nothing else and if what Tinny said (changed da username I see) then Hit is basically slower than Master Roshi and Krillin back in 21th Budokai, they could fight an entire battle in 0.2 seconds IRRC. Hit is also slower than SSJ Gotenks, Namek Goku, Saiyan Arc Goku etc. Perhaps there's more to this "time skip ability" but I don't really know. I just think AT wrote all this without giving a damn about speed feats and just wanted to progress th story (nothing new for him). True. Tinny is right about the scene as far as I can tell atm but yeah that is a good point. I doubt roshi is faster than hit
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Tinny	Apr 19 2016, 11:11 PM Post #104
Posts: 6,060 Group: Super Moderator Member #12,355 Joined: May 24, 2015 Gender Not Specified Favourite Anime Silver Spoon, Fate/Zero, Legend of Galactic Heroes, Space Patrol Luluco, Psycho-pass, Miss Kobayashi What Browser do you use? Chrome, Edge Favourite Manga Wizard's Soul ~Holy War of Love~	Ssj3vegito96 Apr 19 2016, 11:04 PM But their combat speed has never been that much slower than their travel speed. In fact it's always been several times faster. Why would it be this much slower now? Jaco is an exception. I don't remember bulma being able to see everything happening but if she could it's an outlier Honestly DBS has retconned an almost offensively large amount of stuff, like the saiyans zenkei, the default khh, base strength is refereed to as below Freeza, ki-less saiyans once again, the strength of Gotenks and Gohan's loses are far greater than before, Ginyu is somehow good enough to be revived but bad enough to join Freeza, Beerus's personality, the ssj multipliers are different depending on who it is, kaioken now has a ridiculously huge strain on him, mulyipliers of ssj has to be smaller than 2x unless the 5/10/15 is not a thing anymore, the 5/10/15 might also be retconned... I think I could go on but it's changed tons of stuff. @Majin Vegeta That is a good point, this scene makes Hit slower than Roshi by pure feats. And people wonder why I think feats are worthless in db versus. Maybe, I haven't asked anyone about that Edited by Tinny, Apr 19 2016, 11:15 PM.
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+ Majin Vegeta	Apr 19 2016, 11:22 PM Post #105
The resident GT fan! Posts: 8,522 Group: Elite Member Member #9,206 Joined: March 17, 2013 Gender Male Country Greece Favourite Anime DragonBall/Z/GT, Code Geass,Attack on Titan, Death Note, Naruto What Browser do you use? Safari Favourite Manga DragonBall/Z, Naruto, Death Note, Yugioh!	Well I would like to see King Kakarot's response in this thread . Anyway it's true that super retconned a lot of thinks, but this is just extreme. If we take this seriously then Super top tiers are mid 21th Budokai tiers, if not actually slower which is kinda absurd. Dah I don't know, perhaps there's more to this "time leap" ability or it's something different than plain time stop, but I think we all know that the whole time skip was used without consideration about speed or such but rather to show that "Hit even in 0.1'seconds has a huge advantage in a fight cause he's super fast" just a way to give Hit a new flashy ability and progress with the story. Edited by Majin Vegeta, Apr 19 2016, 11:28 PM.
	"Its only when we're pushed to our limits that we can truly shine!" Majin Vegeta


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