How Fast is Goku Now? (SPOILERS)

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How Fast is Goku Now? (SPOILERS)
Tweet Topic Started: Apr 17 2016, 10:34 PM (19,598 Views)
BioBroly288	Apr 17 2016, 10:34 PM Post #1
Saiyan Of Legend Posts: 602 Group: Member Member #9,511 Joined: May 18, 2013 Gender Male Favourite Anime DBZ What Browser do you use? Google Chrome Favourite Manga DBZ	If you guys saw episode 39 of Dragon Ball Super, Goku incorporates his Kaioken technique with his Super Sayian blue form Multiplying all of the forms attributes (Speed and Power) 10x. Hit uses an improved version of his time leap (Which can now stop time for half a second) yet Goku was moving a abnormal speeds that he was still able to move even when Hit Stop time Meaning Goku Can move so fast that he can bypass the time barrier. [FLASH=250,250][URL=http://makeagif.com/0vYf7B][/URL][/FLASH] Edited by BioBroly288, Apr 17 2016, 10:44 PM.

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Notaka	Apr 19 2016, 08:50 PM Post #76
Always Wright Posts: 4,070 Group: Member Member #10,814 Joined: January 31, 2014 Country Algeria What Browser do you use? Waterfox Favourite Manga Dragon Ball, JoJo no kimyou na bouken, One piece, currently reading Shaman King	Nagito Komaeda Apr 19 2016, 08:45 PM Notaka Apr 19 2016, 08:44 PM Nagito Komaeda Apr 19 2016, 08:42 PM Notaka Apr 19 2016, 08:41 PM Exactly. This scene made me realize that Goku became faster than time itself. That doesn't make sense. If Goku became faster than time itself, why was he frozen at first? Was probably still slower than time or something, and then gradually became faster. Gradually became faster? He charged at Hit with Kaioken x 10. Why wouldn't he be using his full speed when flying at him? How do you explain him suddenly moving in the stopped time, then ? Quote: If one were to exceed the speed of light, I imagine time wouldn't be an issue, taking the theory of relativity into account. I don't think anything would move in stopped time.
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Goddess Ultimecia	Apr 19 2016, 08:50 PM Post #77
Posts: 10,145 Group: RP Moderator Member #8,473 Joined: October 26, 2012 Gender Male Country None	Tinny Apr 19 2016, 08:49 PM Wait, but what's Meta-time? The method of time that is kept when someone exists outside of time or moves outside of time. In this case how Hit can move inside of stopped time, yet it only lasts .5 seconds and increases from there. Edited by Goddess Ultimecia, Apr 19 2016, 08:51 PM.
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Notaka	Apr 19 2016, 08:51 PM Post #78
Always Wright Posts: 4,070 Group: Member Member #10,814 Joined: January 31, 2014 Country Algeria What Browser do you use? Waterfox Favourite Manga Dragon Ball, JoJo no kimyou na bouken, One piece, currently reading Shaman King	Goddess Ultimecia Apr 19 2016, 08:50 PM Tinny Apr 19 2016, 08:49 PM Wait, but what's Meta-time? The method of time that is kept when someone exists outside of time or moves outside of time. In this case how Hit can move inside of stopped time, yet it only lasts .5 seconds and increases from there. So in other terms, Goku is beyond the concept of time ?
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Goddess Ultimecia	Apr 19 2016, 08:52 PM Post #79
Posts: 10,145 Group: RP Moderator Member #8,473 Joined: October 26, 2012 Gender Male Country None	Notaka Apr 19 2016, 08:51 PM Goddess Ultimecia Apr 19 2016, 08:50 PM Tinny Apr 19 2016, 08:49 PM Wait, but what's Meta-time? The method of time that is kept when someone exists outside of time or moves outside of time. In this case how Hit can move inside of stopped time, yet it only lasts .5 seconds and increases from there. So in other terms, Goku is beyond the concept of time ? In this case, the first line of time, but he still adheres to a higher time. Think of it like a dimensional kind of thing. If their time is 2D, Goku would be going 3D but 3D has its own time that Goku must adhere to. Edited by Goddess Ultimecia, Apr 19 2016, 08:53 PM.
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* Yu Narukami	Apr 19 2016, 08:53 PM Post #80
Izanagi! Posts: 12,330 Group: Retired Staff Member #6,446 Joined: July 3, 2011 Gender Not Specified Country None	Notaka Apr 19 2016, 08:50 PM Nagito Komaeda Apr 19 2016, 08:45 PM Notaka Apr 19 2016, 08:44 PM Nagito Komaeda Apr 19 2016, 08:42 PM Notaka Apr 19 2016, 08:41 PM Exactly. This scene made me realize that Goku became faster than time itself. That doesn't make sense. If Goku became faster than time itself, why was he frozen at first? Was probably still slower than time or something, and then gradually became faster. Gradually became faster? He charged at Hit with Kaioken x 10. Why wouldn't he be using his full speed when flying at him? How do you explain him suddenly moving in the stopped time, then ? Quote: If one were to exceed the speed of light, I imagine time wouldn't be an issue, taking the theory of relativity into account. I don't think anything would move in stopped time. I don't, it's an outlier. It directly goes against what we're initially shown a few seconds before it happens and makes no sense as a whole.



+ ThePrinceOfSaiyans	Apr 19 2016, 08:55 PM Post #81
魔王子 Posts: 9,797 Group: Elite Member Member #10,492 Joined: November 16, 2013 Gender Male Favourite Anime Dragon Ball Z What Browser do you use? Google Chrome Favourite Manga Dragon Ball	Notaka I don't think anything would move in stopped time. Time is relative, just like the speed of light. Edited by ThePrinceOfSaiyans, Apr 19 2016, 08:56 PM.
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Goddess Ultimecia	Apr 19 2016, 08:56 PM Post #82
Posts: 10,145 Group: RP Moderator Member #8,473 Joined: October 26, 2012 Gender Male Country None	The more I think about it, even if there is a meta-time that still doesn't get rid of any of the issues of Goku's raw speed being faster than IT and why he'll inevitably still not be able to travel in space despite time not passing whatsoever and the vacuum having no effect. Edit: Might have to put this "faster than time" feat as an outlier in the future due to the inevitable contradictions that will come about. EditEdit: Wait a minute, thinking about it further. If Goku and Hit still adhere to a time outside of time then they never really went outside of time to begin with... That would mean that Hit... I can't even formulate a way to make sense of any of this currently lol. Every time I try to make sense of this it makes my head hurt. Edited by Goddess Ultimecia, Apr 19 2016, 09:18 PM.
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Tinny	Apr 19 2016, 09:22 PM Post #83
Posts: 6,060 Group: Super Moderator Member #12,355 Joined: May 24, 2015 Gender Not Specified Favourite Anime Silver Spoon, Fate/Zero, Legend of Galactic Heroes, Space Patrol Luluco, Psycho-pass, Miss Kobayashi What Browser do you use? Chrome, Edge Favourite Manga Wizard's Soul ~Holy War of Love~	I just think of it like this. Hit doesn't have a true time stop like DIO's, he has a... let's say lower grade time stop, like Nox's. So Goku bursting through that? Well, Goku isn't going faster than time or ascending 2d time or anything like that, Hit's time stop simply cannot deal with someone that powerful. It's susceptible to high enough amounts of Ki (or in Nox's case Wakfu, to continue the comparison). Edited by Tinny, Apr 19 2016, 09:25 PM.
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Goddess Ultimecia	Apr 19 2016, 09:25 PM Post #84
Posts: 10,145 Group: RP Moderator Member #8,473 Joined: October 26, 2012 Gender Male Country None	Tinny Apr 19 2016, 09:22 PM I just think of it like this. Hit doesn't have a real time stop like DIO's, he has a... let's say lower grade time stop, like Nox's. So Goku bursting through that? Well, Goku isn't going faster than time or ascending 2d time or anything like that, Hit's time stop simply cannot deal with someone that powerful. It's susceptible to high enough amounts of Ki (or in Nox's case Wakfu, to continue the comparison). I'm going with this for the time being, makes it much easier to comprehend and avoids any possible contradictions that will come about later on.
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+ Ssj3vegito96	Apr 19 2016, 10:04 PM Post #85
Posts: 10,327 Group: Elite Member Member #10,438 Joined: November 2, 2013 Gender Male Country United States Favourite Anime Dragon ball/Z/GT/S, Fullmetal Alchemist:Brotherhood, One Punch Man Favourite Manga DB/Z/S	First of all, goku not moving and then moving is not an inconsistency. It's just for dramatic effect. You're over thinking it Secondly, no, hit isn't stopping time. It's called time SKIP. It's basically as if he's freezing time but according to the galactic King, he's actually skipping forward...however that works idk And I still don't see how hit failing to punch goku means he's slower than light. All I'm getting from it was goku was that much faster and able to counter time leap Edited by Ssj3vegito96, Apr 19 2016, 10:04 PM.
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Tinny	Apr 19 2016, 10:08 PM Post #86
Posts: 6,060 Group: Super Moderator Member #12,355 Joined: May 24, 2015 Gender Not Specified Favourite Anime Silver Spoon, Fate/Zero, Legend of Galactic Heroes, Space Patrol Luluco, Psycho-pass, Miss Kobayashi What Browser do you use? Chrome, Edge Favourite Manga Wizard's Soul ~Holy War of Love~	Ssj3vegito96 Apr 19 2016, 10:04 PM First of all, goku not moving and then moving is not an inconsistency. It's just for dramatic effect. You're over thinking it Secondly, no, hit isn't stopping time. It's called time SKIP. It's basically as if he's freezing time but according to the galactic King, he's actually skipping forward...however that works idk And I still don't see how hit failing to punch goku means he's slower than light. All I'm getting from it was goku was that much faster and able to counter time leap It is though, is Goku faster than the time stop or not? Well apparently he isn't-wait he is. If it had focused on Hit instead before his expression changed to shock, and then showing Goku moving that would be more of a dramatic effect thing. Here he clearly broke through after it had effected him. Suggesting to me it's more like Nox's time stops. It feels like a leap through time to other characters, but from Hit's perspective, it's explicitly a time stop. How big do you think the arena is? Simple question. Remember, the speed of light is 299,792,458 meters a second. And remember that Hit didn't quite go across the entire Arena and punch Goku in .1 seconds. In order for Hit to not quite get there in time to have enough time left to hit Goku while being light speed, the arena would have to be around 30 million meters in length. Here's an image of the arena, it's not the whole thing but this should help. Edited by Tinny, Apr 19 2016, 10:10 PM.
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+ Ssj3vegito96	Apr 19 2016, 10:15 PM Post #87
Posts: 10,327 Group: Elite Member Member #10,438 Joined: November 2, 2013 Gender Male Country United States Favourite Anime Dragon ball/Z/GT/S, Fullmetal Alchemist:Brotherhood, One Punch Man Favourite Manga DB/Z/S	We aren't explicitly told that simply having a power level so much higher just negates time leap so it doesn't work on them. It could still be that gokus moving so fast he gets past it. I still think it was for dramatic effect but you do make a fair point I know the arena is relatively small when we're talking about lightspeed but I don't see how it matters. Again, all I'm seeing is that hit charges, freezes time, but goku was able to hit him because he's much faster and knows how to counter time leap. I don't see how anything there has anything to do witg light speed. Why does it matter if hit failed?
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+ Steve	Apr 19 2016, 10:16 PM Post #88
Greetings. I will be your waifu this season. Posts: 19,471 Group: Legend Member #5,710 Joined: February 7, 2011 Gender Male Country United Kingdom Favourite Anime Hunter x Hunter(2011) What Browser do you use? Mozilla Firefox Favourite Manga Berserk all day erry day	I'm guessing people are never going to accept this, even though there's way more tangible evidence towards characters not being FTL than there ever was otherwise. Seriously if you go back there's really nothing that backs it up in any reasonable way, the single thread you could possibly hold on to is the whole King Kai not sensing Goku and Frieza fighting thing but there's multiple things after that which hint at speed not being quite as fast as people would like to believe, which lets face it, is pretty much all that happens here.
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+ Ssj3vegito96	Apr 19 2016, 10:18 PM Post #89
Posts: 10,327 Group: Elite Member Member #10,438 Joined: November 2, 2013 Gender Male Country United States Favourite Anime Dragon ball/Z/GT/S, Fullmetal Alchemist:Brotherhood, One Punch Man Favourite Manga DB/Z/S	Steve were talking about dragon ball super
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+ Ssj3vegito96	Apr 19 2016, 10:20 PM Post #90
Posts: 10,327 Group: Elite Member Member #10,438 Joined: November 2, 2013 Gender Male Country United States Favourite Anime Dragon ball/Z/GT/S, Fullmetal Alchemist:Brotherhood, One Punch Man Favourite Manga DB/Z/S	Also, in that scene where goku stops, hit also slows down a lot. So the whole scene is probably for dramatic effect imo Edited by Ssj3vegito96, Apr 19 2016, 10:20 PM.
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