How Fast is Goku Now? (SPOILERS)

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How Fast is Goku Now? (SPOILERS)
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BioBroly288	Apr 17 2016, 10:34 PM Post #1
Saiyan Of Legend Posts: 602 Group: Member Member #9,511 Joined: May 18, 2013 Gender Male Favourite Anime DBZ What Browser do you use? Google Chrome Favourite Manga DBZ	If you guys saw episode 39 of Dragon Ball Super, Goku incorporates his Kaioken technique with his Super Sayian blue form Multiplying all of the forms attributes (Speed and Power) 10x. Hit uses an improved version of his time leap (Which can now stop time for half a second) yet Goku was moving a abnormal speeds that he was still able to move even when Hit Stop time Meaning Goku Can move so fast that he can bypass the time barrier. [FLASH=250,250][URL=http://makeagif.com/0vYf7B][/URL][/FLASH] Edited by BioBroly288, Apr 17 2016, 10:44 PM.

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Tinny	Apr 19 2016, 03:31 PM Post #46
Posts: 6,060 Group: Super Moderator Member #12,355 Joined: May 24, 2015 Gender Not Specified Favourite Anime Silver Spoon, Fate/Zero, Legend of Galactic Heroes, Space Patrol Luluco, Psycho-pass, Miss Kobayashi What Browser do you use? Chrome, Edge Favourite Manga Wizard's Soul ~Holy War of Love~	Darker Apr 19 2016, 03:20 PM How do you even break through time stop, Tinny? A true time stop? You don't it effects you or it doesn't, but Nox's time stop isn't a true time stop. Hit's time leap sends to be a little better as it freezes perception as well, but lasts allot shorter and has the same weakness as Nox's time stop, which is to say sufficiently powerful characters can beak the spell, or technique in this case. Quote: @tinny because he's not slower than light. Just because hit only punches them once doesn't mean he's not faster than light. Basically that's like asking why ssj2 gohan only punches cell once when he could completely beat the s* out of him without cell even seeing it coming Unless the arena is thousands of miles wide, there is no way for Hit to not be able to cross the entire arena and punch Goku at least once. He failed to cross the whole arena in .1 or .2 seconds and got punched by Goku instead. If we're scaling by Hit, Goku is slower than light, either that or Goku is hilariously faster than Hit. Which he apparently needs ssjgssjkkx10 to do, so he's not ftl, certainly not without ssjgssjkkx10. Edited by Tinny**, Apr 19 2016, 03:37 PM.
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+ Ssj3vegito96	Apr 19 2016, 03:37 PM Post #47
Posts: 10,327 Group: Elite Member Member #10,438 Joined: November 2, 2013 Gender Male Country United States Favourite Anime Dragon ball/Z/GT/S, Fullmetal Alchemist:Brotherhood, One Punch Man Favourite Manga DB/Z/S	Goku was hilariously faster. That was the point. He was completely wrecking hit
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Tinny	Apr 19 2016, 03:44 PM Post #48
Posts: 6,060 Group: Super Moderator Member #12,355 Joined: May 24, 2015 Gender Not Specified Favourite Anime Silver Spoon, Fate/Zero, Legend of Galactic Heroes, Space Patrol Luluco, Psycho-pass, Miss Kobayashi What Browser do you use? Chrome, Edge Favourite Manga Wizard's Soul ~Holy War of Love~	Ssj3vegito96 Apr 19 2016, 03:37 PM Goku was hilariously faster. That was the point. He was completely wrecking hit Not that much faster, he was able to disappear from Hit's vision but aside from that he was still unable to completely destroy Hit with those punches despite (presumably) trying to finish him off immediately with that combo, and then with the kkh (which I assume fails if Herms is to be believed). I wouldn't say he's too much dearer than Hit, and again, he couldn't cross the distance of what is at most 720 miles (And I'm likely massively exaggerating here) fast enough to do it in .1 seconds. He's faster, but so much that he's light speed? I don't think so, that's gonna require an incredible amount of soured that being say, ten times more powerful isn't gonna accomplish. Saying he's even light speed is speculation at best. Edited by Tinny, Apr 19 2016, 03:45 PM.
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+ Ssj3vegito96	Apr 19 2016, 03:55 PM Post #49
Posts: 10,327 Group: Elite Member Member #10,438 Joined: November 2, 2013 Gender Male Country United States Favourite Anime Dragon ball/Z/GT/S, Fullmetal Alchemist:Brotherhood, One Punch Man Favourite Manga DB/Z/S	I'm not sure we're on the same page. Which scene are you talking about exactly when he "couldn't cross the arena in .1 second"?
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Tinny	Apr 19 2016, 03:59 PM Post #50
Posts: 6,060 Group: Super Moderator Member #12,355 Joined: May 24, 2015 Gender Not Specified Favourite Anime Silver Spoon, Fate/Zero, Legend of Galactic Heroes, Space Patrol Luluco, Psycho-pass, Miss Kobayashi What Browser do you use? Chrome, Edge Favourite Manga Wizard's Soul ~Holy War of Love~	Ssj3vegito96 Apr 19 2016, 03:55 PM I'm not sure we're on the same page. Which scene are you talking about exactly when he "couldn't cross the arena in .1 second"? Before Goku uses Kaioken, there was a point where Hit attempted to use the time leap to cross the arena and land a blow on Goku. However, he failed to hit Goku, and more to the point Goku punched him. This I believe was the turning point in Goku's favour until Hit's time leap went to .2 or .5 seconds. This would have to an absurdly large arena for even ten times Hit's speed to be FTL. Miles wide at least. Here's the whole spiel and number crunching I did. To determinethat they're not light speed. Spoiler: click to toggle The problem is that in .1 or .2 pause to run over there should be really. Really. REALLY simple if they're even just light speed. Light speed means you're able to move about 299,792,458 meters per second (or a little less than 200,000 MPH). Hit has a tenth of the time to get there, so assuming he's just light speed (mind you I'm assuming he's "just" light speed rather than FTL here just to make a point), he can move a little less than 30 million meters in .1 seconds (specifically 29979245.8 meters). In 0.2 seconds he should be able to move about 60 million (specifically 59958491.6 meters per second). Does this arena seem like it's millions of meters or thousands of miles long? Hit should have more than enough time to rush in and hit Goku at least once, and that assumes he's only Light speed, rather than FTL as everyone says. Even if I'm being generous and saying that arena is 2500 feet/762 meters/almost half a mile (100 times the length of a boxing ring), he should still be able to cross that in under .1 seconds and land at least one blow before the time leap runs out. He didn't make it, he got punched in the gut instead. Also yes, they were astonishingly fast, but the Kamehameha also wasn't a ki ball but DBS portrayed it like that anyway (it happened like once on Namek, now it's suddenly almost the default?). I think the speed got retconned frankly, or more likely, that they were never at light speed to begin with. They never reached that tier of speed. But generally DBS is understood as FTL. My end point is this basically. Why is Hit so slow in practice? If this is really what he can do in .1 seconds, DBS is far slower than I initially thought. It's practically if not outright impossible for them to be faster than light unless Goku was pulling a Beerus. Edited by Tinny, Apr 19 2016, 04:05 PM.
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+ Ssj3vegito96	Apr 19 2016, 04:10 PM Post #51
Posts: 10,327 Group: Elite Member Member #10,438 Joined: November 2, 2013 Gender Male Country United States Favourite Anime Dragon ball/Z/GT/S, Fullmetal Alchemist:Brotherhood, One Punch Man Favourite Manga DB/Z/S	I'm still not sure I'm following. So when hit was across the arena he froze time and when he hit was where goku was, goku punched him...I don't see how this proves anything but goku being fast and smart enough to counter time leap. How does this mean he couldn't cross the distance in .1 second? If it does, it still doesn't convince me that that they're slower than light because it's just a simple inconsistency. We have actual speed feats that prove faster than light speeds. Those scenes that are intentionally trying to display speed will always hold more weight than nitpicking Edited by Ssj3vegito96, Apr 19 2016, 04:11 PM.
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lazerbem	Apr 19 2016, 04:13 PM Post #52
Posts: 10,662 Group: Forum Moderator Member #10,435 Joined: November 1, 2013 Gender Male Country United States Favourite Anime Asura's Wrath(it counts) What Browser do you use? Google Chrome	How is Hit charging across the arena anything but a display of speed for him? And for Goku to cut him off in the process too.
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+ Ssj3vegito96	Apr 19 2016, 04:14 PM Post #53
Posts: 10,327 Group: Elite Member Member #10,438 Joined: November 2, 2013 Gender Male Country United States Favourite Anime Dragon ball/Z/GT/S, Fullmetal Alchemist:Brotherhood, One Punch Man Favourite Manga DB/Z/S	I didn't say it was. I'm talking about past scenes throughout super
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Tinny	Apr 19 2016, 04:17 PM Post #54
Posts: 6,060 Group: Super Moderator Member #12,355 Joined: May 24, 2015 Gender Not Specified Favourite Anime Silver Spoon, Fate/Zero, Legend of Galactic Heroes, Space Patrol Luluco, Psycho-pass, Miss Kobayashi What Browser do you use? Chrome, Edge Favourite Manga Wizard's Soul ~Holy War of Love~	Ssj3vegito96 Apr 19 2016, 04:10 PM I'm still not sure I'm following. So when hit was across the arena he froze time and when he hit was where goku was, goku punched him...I don't see how this proves anything but goku being fast and smart enough to counter time leap. How does this mean he couldn't cross the distance in .1 second? If it does, it still doesn't convince me that that they're slower than light because it's just a simple inconsistency. We have actual speed feats that prove faster than light speeds. Those scenes that are intentionally trying to display speed will always hold more weight than nitpicking Because he only hit there juuuust time to begin his attack, at which point Goku was too quick and beat him to the punch. It's Hit's entire thing though! That's how he's been digging up until now, how is the abilities of the main bad guy, of the hyped up antagonist, of the one Goku and Vegeta set their sights on, an inconsistency? And it quite frankly WAS displaying speed, Goku's speed and by extension, Hit's speed. This has been the most clear cut depiction of combat speed through out DBS. It's not nitpicking, it's just looking at the anime. If anything, the picking out of small details would be using Whis talking to the hohoho alien and Beerus showing up, not this very clear cut, no frills, upfront depiction of speed. Edited by Tinny, Apr 19 2016, 04:21 PM.
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+ Ssj3vegito96	Apr 19 2016, 06:02 PM Post #55
Posts: 10,327 Group: Elite Member Member #10,438 Joined: November 2, 2013 Gender Male Country United States Favourite Anime Dragon ball/Z/GT/S, Fullmetal Alchemist:Brotherhood, One Punch Man Favourite Manga DB/Z/S	Ok so I rewatched the episode and noticed the scene you're talking about Honestly I have no idea how this scene led you to the conclusion that they're slower than light. He charged at him, froze time, and goku hit him. I don't understand how there's any more to it Atm goku is literally at a higher power level and knows how to counter time leap. That's what this scene was clearly showing. How does this have anything to do with being slower than light? In the end, goku still outpaced time and instantaneous movement so that is ftl Edited by Ssj3vegito96, Apr 19 2016, 06:10 PM.
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~~Judau Ashtha~~	Apr 19 2016, 06:37 PM Post #56
Posts: 83 Group: Suspended Member #12,985 Joined: March 11, 2016 Gender Male Favourite Anime Gundam ZZ What Browser do you use? #TheOneCurrentlyWorking Favourite Manga #DontCare	The way I see it is that Hit basically can reach a certain X% of speed of light for a certain period of time(like 0.1,0.2 or 0.5 seconds as shown in the anime). And during this time period from the perspective of his opponents like Goku or Vegeta, who are stationary or when there speed is pretty low compared to the speed required for the 'Time Leap', Hit appears stationary to them and vice versa i.e Goku and Vegeta also observe Hit to be stationary. But from Hit's perspective he is really moving at whatever speed he is going(but equal to or greater than the speed required for the time leap) at and vice versa. That is each of them(i.e Hit and Goku/Vegeta) from there perspective don't feel anything, i.e everything is normal(or as it is) in their respective perspectives. But, Hit is only aware of this and Goku and Vegeta are not aware of this. So, Hit uses this to his advantage. So, how was Goku able to counter Hit. It's like Goku said he was able to predict where Hit was gonna be after that 0.1 seconds Time Leap. But, when Hit increases the Time Leap to 0.5 his window of using a certain valuable X% of speed of light also increases and thereby making him more random for Goku. So, how does Goku counter this? He goes SSB Kaioken. Now I believe that with the help of kaioken x10 with SSB, Goku was also able to reach/access a certain valuable X% of speed of light for a heart beat of seconds(aka kaioken) just like Hit. So, in a way Goku with the help of kaioken was able to do Time leaps just like Hit. Goku's X% of speed of light must have been a bit higher than Hit's X% of speed of light.



Tinny	Apr 19 2016, 06:48 PM Post #57
Posts: 6,060 Group: Super Moderator Member #12,355 Joined: May 24, 2015 Gender Not Specified Favourite Anime Silver Spoon, Fate/Zero, Legend of Galactic Heroes, Space Patrol Luluco, Psycho-pass, Miss Kobayashi What Browser do you use? Chrome, Edge Favourite Manga Wizard's Soul ~Holy War of Love~	Ssj3vegito96 Apr 19 2016, 06:02 PM Ok so I rewatched the episode and noticed the scene you're talking about Honestly I have no idea how this scene led you to the conclusion that they're slower than light. He charged at him, froze time, and goku hit him. I don't understand how there's any more to it Atm goku is literally at a higher power level and knows how to counter time leap. That's what this scene was clearly showing. How does this have anything to do with being slower than light? In the end, goku still outpaced time and instantaneous movement so that is ftl How did you get that out of it? I saw Goku having predicted what Hit was gonna do and planning his movements for it, like last episode. Hell the entire climax was him overtaking the time leap, now you're telling me can no sell it in base? Hit and Goku are comparable aren't they? Otherwise Goku would have won right then and there instead of needing kaioken times ten. He was powerful enough to invalidate Hit's technique, he faster than light the same way Grougaloragran is (And I will call bulls* if you try to argue that). Bring faster than a time stop just plain makes no sense, especially when they emphasize a change when he moves (rather than say we see Hit moving, then his face change to terror, and then we cut to Goku moving in color). This is not a pure time stop, it's like Nox's, it depends on the power of the individuals barring frozen. To put it anther way, your argument could be used to say that literally everyone in Wakfu can perceive in faster than time speeds because they can still hear and see him as he moves while frozen in time. While I like Wakfu, I'm not gonna lie about it to make them more powerful, Hit here is not FTL, and Goku isn't FTL for breaking the time leap. Edited by Tinny**, Apr 19 2016, 06:57 PM.
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Dankness Lava	Apr 19 2016, 07:06 PM Post #58
Dankness Forever Posts: 6,348 Group: Tha Dankness Member #9,197 Joined: March 16, 2013 Gender Not Specified Country None Favourite Anime Hajime no Ippo What Browser do you use? Chrome Favourite Manga One Piece	I honestly feel like if they aren't lightspeed, they're at least close however.



Notaka	Apr 19 2016, 08:20 PM Post #59
Always Wright Posts: 4,070 Group: Member Member #10,814 Joined: January 31, 2014 Country Algeria What Browser do you use? Waterfox Favourite Manga Dragon Ball, JoJo no kimyou na bouken, One piece, currently reading Shaman King	At this point he's faster than time itself.
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+ Ssj3vegito96	Apr 19 2016, 08:23 PM Post #60
Posts: 10,327 Group: Elite Member Member #10,438 Joined: November 2, 2013 Gender Male Country United States Favourite Anime Dragon ball/Z/GT/S, Fullmetal Alchemist:Brotherhood, One Punch Man Favourite Manga DB/Z/S	Quote: I saw Goku having predicted what Hit was gonna do and planning his movements for it right. That's exactly what he did but how does this say they aren't ftl? That's what I'm not seeing Edited by Ssj3vegito96, Apr 19 2016, 08:24 PM.
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