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| + ThePrinceOfSaiyans | Apr 17 2016, 12:27 AM Post #1 |
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Holy f***ing s***! Goku is using Super Saiyan Blue Kaioken x10! Oh, and the animation was pretty on point this episode. EDIT: Welp, I think we can confirm that Beerus's 10% line is bull s*** now, since he's still weaker than Beerus supposedly. Edited by ThePrinceOfSaiyans, Apr 17 2016, 12:29 AM.
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| superperfectnerd | Apr 17 2016, 11:50 PM Post #61 |
 
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I enjoyed it. Th animation was good and kaioken being viable to combine with ssjb without the leaking ki actually makes a great deal of sense. Hit just gets better as he fights? What is he? Are there more like him? Before their interaction with Beerus, the best universe 7 had was Gohan. The universe 6 fighters were all recently recruited and had no interaction with Champa before recently and yet they're way stronger than the strongest fighters of universe 7 were in the Boo saga. Why are universe 6 fighters so strong? What happens now if Goku is this strong? He should be above Beerus and Whis now, at least while he can maintain kaioken. I as enjoying having Vegeta as the main protagonist too and unless he swallows a whole chunk of pride and gets Goku to teach him Kaioken, I don't see how he'd catch up. I can't see kaioken being his style either. |
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| * Yu Narukami | Apr 17 2016, 11:57 PM Post #62 |
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Does this mean that Hit's Time Leap ability is gonna be null and void soon? If he powers up when fighting new opponents, and he gets as strong/nearly as strong as SSGSS Kaioken x 10 Goku, then any opponent he fights in the future wouldn't warrant the Time Leap and if, by chance, they did, it'd be useless because they'd be too fast for it. |
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| Tinny | Apr 18 2016, 01:43 AM Post #63 |
 
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Wait a minute the hell? Why is Hit keeping up with ssjgssj if he got a nasty gash from base Goku? Wat? Oh. It's a time stop... Silly me for thinking about DBS like that's a worthwhile pursuit. And apparently Hit is... Really f***ing slow if he can outright get countered. Like slower than light at least. Slower than sound possibly but don't quote me on that. Yeah, that's it, DBS combat speed<<<<<<travel speed. Okay then. Good to know. The animation took a bump up, even if it's still iffy in places. Hit's basically G-Freeza's thing but better honestly. Less plot holes and idiocy. Also why isn't Hit taking an offensive when he's down? Fair play? He's already freezing time for free shots. They explained it but it's still strange to me. I'm pretty sure that pause was meant to build tension, but I don't really care about the characters enough for that. Hit also sends to be gaining power for no reason. How'd he get from .2 to .5? Okay, Hit's actually giving a fair reason now. Good. Oh god that new form. It sears my eyes. I hope this isn't a new thing. On the other hand, the the return of Kaioken! Of course you couldn't see him Hit, your speed is Z tier. Beerus is sweating, Goku's stronger than him right now, calling it. Also explains why he didn't for so long. Times ten, he's absolutely more powerful than him right now. ...The f*** is going on now? Also wow that's a huge drain, and against someone as slow as Hit. That's huge. I guess I know why he didn't use kaioken against Freeza. Overall... It's okay, which is phenomenal for DBS. I'd say it's average. |
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| lazerbem | Apr 18 2016, 01:51 AM Post #64 |
 
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| Tinny | Apr 18 2016, 01:55 AM Post #65 |
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...holy s*** my slower than Saibamen joke is canon. I men not literally but at this point Hit and the dbs tiers until now were really not that fast at all, I think the RWBY characters and Naruto characters might be faster note? I remember Kakashi is apparently faster than lightning. None of this wackiness would have happened if it were a King Crimson ability instead of a ZA WARUDO ability btw. grumble grumble can't believe I gave DBS the benefit of the doubt grumble grumble. Edited by Tinny, Apr 18 2016, 02:04 AM.
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| lazerbem | Apr 18 2016, 02:08 AM Post #66 |
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Watching the episode with subs is adding some confusion. What's Vegeta going on about when he says Saiyans get stronger in the middle of battle? If he means transformations(as Hit's earlier comment implies), then that's a very common trait and he should've gotten salty over Zarbon. If he means that Saiyans get stronger in the middle of a fight, that's a really weird retcon. Krillin also brings it up, and I have no clue what he means by that. Hit's personality also makes no sense. Why in the world would someone who enjoys fighting be an assassin who was pretty no-nonsense up until now? Also, how is Hit not flattened in a single hit by a Kaioken x10? It was acknowledged that his Improvement doesn't make him stronger, just makes his time stop last longer. |
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| Tinny | Apr 18 2016, 02:12 AM Post #67 |
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I think they're referring to the Zenkei actually? The way I see it it's more practical, neither of us will die and he's confident, why not get stronger to where he can kill Champa? Kaioken Times ten is really Kaioken Times tenth  1.1 multiplier on top of 1.3.  alternatively, toonforce.
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| Zoom | Apr 18 2016, 05:19 AM Post #68 |
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Based on the preview the finale, Beerus gets angry. Also Hit can get stronger. He may win against Goku. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kFbRCpi5sbY and yes Hit was as fast as Blue Goku in raw speed alone. and yes Goku was that amazing. Overall Goku used sheer speed to counter someone that is time skipping. Unlike Guldo who stops time, Hit skips time 0.1, then 0.1, then 0.5 but Goku used speed and moved within Hit time stop. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bC5XKpthBc8
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| Goddess Ultimecia | Apr 18 2016, 11:31 AM Post #69 |
 
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Can't believe I let this slip past me. This episode is almost exactly a Pyyrhic victory. |
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| Tinny | Apr 18 2016, 12:03 PM Post #70 |
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That is a bit hilarious, now DBS is being compared to loony toons, Prince can't even keep a consistent lock on how strong anything is, and the scene while exciting is completely ridiculous in context. Honestly I think this episode is only really good on it's own, it'll probably looks ridiculous next episode, certainly looks dumb next to the previous episode. Honestly I'd compare this to FiM's Magical Mystery Cure, where it's good at hitting emotional cords, but if you don't care about the main character(s), then you very quickly realize how dumb it is. Problem is DBS makes me loathe Goku, so I didn't really feel anything when the theme came on. Even then it has allot of moments where just nothing is happening, which I thought was meant to build tension or was only done in Z to give the manga time to catch up, but it obviously can't be the latter, and completely fails at the former. Edited by Tinny, Apr 18 2016, 12:05 PM.
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| Instant Transmission | Apr 18 2016, 01:10 PM Post #71 |
 
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What makes you say Hit is so damn slow. |
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| Tinny | Apr 18 2016, 01:37 PM Post #72 |
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These guys are constantly talked up as MFTL, but Hit is here and he can't really land a hit in .1 seconds (note the part where Goku outright countered Hit and hit him (  ) before Hit could land a hit of his own). Normal humans can punch in .5, he's only a little bit faster than us. During the fight, it seems that the main thing that gets upgraded, possibly the only thing that gets upgraded, is his time leap, from .1 to .2, then .5 seconds. This guy is really slow compared to what everyone keeps thinking is going on in general....I think I'm gonna call him Hitto now. Hit just makes this confusing. Edited by Tinny, Apr 18 2016, 01:53 PM.
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| Instant Transmission | Apr 18 2016, 02:18 PM Post #73 |
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Hit within a 0.1 (or 2. this is before his 0.5 statement) landed a barrage of hits on Goku. During his little Tokitobashi that Goku countered, Goku was using Kaioken X10. SS Blue Kaioken X10. Freaking Namek Goku, was already astonishingly fast. This is a Goku from over a decade into the future, with absurd power upgrades and improvements, in a Super Saiyan God state mutliplied by 10. Hit wasn't slow. Goku was just way to freaking fast. All of these f***boys are Much faster than light. Both the purple dick headed time manipulating Hitt and the Blue Pineapple Goku. You can't say Hit is slow for not hitting Goku after stopping time and getting right in his face when Goku is just absurdly stronger than him. It's like saying SSJ3 Goku is weak because Beerus flicked him and sent him flying. "Of course you couldn't see him Hit, your speed is Z tier." Again... Super Saiyan God SS, doubled.... (since he wasn't at higher than Normal/X2 Kaioken).. How do you expect him or anyone else but the Super Tiered fighters to keep up? Hit has this plot device that randomly with 0 reason makes him improve in both skill and physical ability (Power/Speed) in the middle of battle, since he's somehow keeping up later on.. Screw it, im just gonna accept it. Point is.. Hit and pretty much all U6 fighters, would toy around with practically the entirety of the Z Era. Except for Botamo. Botamo cant do s*** |
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| Tinny | Apr 18 2016, 03:01 PM Post #74 |
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The problem is that in .1 or .2 pause to run over there should be really. Really. REALLY simple if they're even just light speed. Light speed means you're able to move about 299,792,458 meters per second (or a little less than 200,000 MPH). Hit has a tenth of the time to get there, so assuming he's just light speed (mind you I'm assuming he's "just" light speed rather than FTL here just to make a point), he can move a little less than 30 million meters in .1 seconds (specifically 29979245.8 meters). In 0.2 seconds he should be able to move about 60 million (specifically 59958491.6 meters per second).  Does this arena seem like it's millions of meters or thousands of miles long? Hit should have more than enough time to rush in and hit Goku at least once, and that assumes he's only Light speed, rather than FTL as everyone says. Even if I'm being generous and saying that arena is 2500 feet/762 meters/almost half a mile (100 times the length of a boxing ring), he should still be able to cross that in under .1 seconds and land at least one blow before the time leap runs out. He didn't make it, he got punched in the gut instead. Also yes, they were astonishingly fast, but the Kamehameha also wasn't a ki ball but DBS portrayed it like that anyway (it happened like once on Namek, now it's suddenly almost the default?). I think the speed got retconned frankly, or more likely, that they were never at light speed to begin with. They never reached that tier of speed. But generally DBS is understood as FTL. That was me being sarcastic more than anything, of course he couldn't keep up, but I'm going back to the fact that Hit couldn't close the distance in a small arena fast enough to get a hit in. Yes. Of course they'd win against Z (barring maybe Vegetto depending on where you have post god Goku and Vegeta or if you think they're turning god ki on and off and so on, blame the stupid power scaling here for all this uncertainty). But it seems they haven't gotten much faster, they're possibly even slower if Hit (the final antagonist and obstacle) is any indication. My end point is this basically. Why is Hit so slow in practice? If this is really what he can do in .1 seconds, DBS is far slower than I initially thought. Edited by Tinny, Apr 18 2016, 03:02 PM.
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| Instant Transmission | Apr 18 2016, 03:07 PM Post #75 |
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Could it be that Goku somehow actually moved within Hitts Time stop ? |
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