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SSJ Gotenks(Pre-RoSaT) vs SSJ3 Goku
Topic Started: Apr 16 2016, 11:26 PM (1,841 Views)
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Gotenks vs SSJ3 Goku has been one of the more interesting debates I've seen on this site, and I still don't have my own set opinion on it yet.
So if not a hassle, I would like if you stated your opinion as to why whoever wins these rounds wins.

NOTE: SSJ3 Goku's chi doesn't contently drain.


Round 1: SSJ Gotenks(Pre-RoSaT) vs SSJ3 Goku(Amount of Chi used in fight w/Fat Boo)

Round 2: SSJ Gotenks(Pre-RoSaT) vs SSJ3 Goku(Full Power)

Round Bonusu: Base Gotenks(Post-RoSaT) vs SSJ3 Goku(Full Power)
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Round 1: Gotenks wins.
Round 2: This is the same exact match as Round 1, so Gotenks still wins.
Bonus: Gotenks wins with ease.
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R1: Gotenks wins, possibly with ease.
R2: Same as round 1.
Bonus: Gotenks definitely stomps.
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Gotenks stomps in all 3 matches.
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Apr 16 2016, 11:43 PM
Gotenks stomps in all 3 matches.
Lel. The Daizenshuu confirms that pre-ROST Gotenks is weaker than Majin Vegeta. He has no feats in the manga, so it must be true.
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Round 1: SSJ Gotenks(Pre-RoSaT) vs SSJ3 Goku(Amount of Chi used in fight w/Fat Boo)

Round 2: SSJ Gotenks(Pre-RoSaT) vs SSJ3 Goku(Full Power)

Round Bonusu: Base Gotenks(Post-RoSaT) vs SSJ3 Goku(Full Power)


I don't know what's the difference between R1 and R2, I thought Goku was using all his power against Kid Buu. Unless you mean when Goku charged for 1 minute.

Anyway, this is what i think within the context of how scene played out.

Ssj Gotenks Post > Ssj3 Goku >=Ssj Gotenks Pre
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"I am the bone of my sword."

Goku outright stated that Gotenks would be stronger than him, but Goku is a fat ****ing liar who knows diddly squat s*** so he grabs Gohan, tells him to fuse with Gotenks, then brings in Vegetto, Beerus, Golden Freeza and for fun, Krillin and begins smashing each and every once of their faces against a concrete wall with a single hand...

Simultaneously.
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Apr 17 2016, 04:24 AM
Goku outright stated that Gotenks would be stronger than him, but Goku is a fat ****ing liar who knows diddly squat s*** so he grabs Gohan, tells him to fuse with Gotenks, then brings in Vegetto, Beerus, Golden Freeza and for fun, Krillin and begins smashing each and every once of their faces against a concrete wall with a single hand...

Simultaneously.
No, he said within the context of wanting the next generation to do something as he explained it to Piccolo. Because if you're going to play game, Goku outright said he was weaker than Buu.
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"I am the bone of my sword."

Goku stating he wanted the next generation to fight doesn't negate his statement of Gotenks being stronger. The only thing that has been changed is Goku's inability to defeat Boo. Goku's statement of Gotenks being stronger than him still stands.

Besides Goku's admittance to being unable to defeat Fat Boo can easily be explained by Boo's unpredictable nature and power. More often than not, Boo has always remained a mystery. It's not surprising that Goku felt he may not have been able to defeat him. Not only that, PIccolo is now under the impression that Gotenks has to be both stronger than Goku and stronger than a Boo potentially even stronger than Goku as well.

But Goku being stronger than Gotenks, outright makes Goku a liar.
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Round 1: Gotenks wins with moderate difficulty if he's in-character, which means he's fooling around for most of the fight until the end.

Round 2: This is the same as the first round. Goku's power isn't any different.

Bonus Round: Gotenks doesn't have any trouble even if he's toying around.
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Man, I'm a little rusty on the manga but didn't Gotenks get wrecked by Fat Buu when he went right after Buu after he fused? Wasn't the reason Goten and Trunks went into the time chamber was to have a chance to beat Fat Buu? I hesitantly give the first 2 rounds to Goku. By a hair and having knowledge of fusion and being a better fighter. Post Gotenks roflstomps Goku.
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Apr 17 2016, 05:30 AM
Goku stating he wanted the next generation to fight doesn't negate his statement of Gotenks being stronger. The only thing that has been changed is Goku's inability to defeat Boo. Goku's statement of Gotenks being stronger than him still stands.

Besides Goku's admittance to being unable to defeat Fat Boo can easily be explained by Boo's unpredictable nature and power. More often than not, Boo has always remained a mystery. It's not surprising that Goku felt he may not have been able to defeat him. Not only that, PIccolo is now under the impression that Gotenks has to be both stronger than Goku and stronger than a Boo potentially even stronger than Goku as well.

But Goku being stronger than Gotenks, outright makes Goku a liar.
Chapter: 472 (DBZ 278), P10.7
Context: after Goten and Trunks question Goku’s power and Piccolo gets mad
Goku: “It’s alright, Piccolo…I really am weak. It don’t look like I can beat Majin Boo, not even a little bit.”

The context of the whole thing was Goku wanting the boys to have the confidence to defeat Buu and future villains.

So? Goku and Piccolo was willing to kill off earthlings so it gives the boys an hour or so and after wish them back with the Dragonballs... Goku could have easily saved them by transforming into Ssj3 and kill Fat Buu but he didn't. Plus Gotenks is overrated... he got beat up so badly by fatty then by Evil Buu, and at the end Piccolo lost confidence until he used Ssj3.
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Man, I'm a little rusty on the manga but didn't Gotenks get wrecked by Fat Buu when he went right after Buu after he fused? Wasn't the reason Goten and Trunks went into the time chamber was to have a chance to beat Fat Buu? I hesitantly give the first 2 rounds to Goku. By a hair and having knowledge of fusion and being a better fighter. Post Gotenks roflstomps Goku.


They had to go into the ROSAT because the far more powerful Super Boo was coming and Piccolo knew that if the kids didn't get far stronger, they'd be destroyed. SSJ Gotenks was more than than willing to take on Fat Boo and Piccolo had no problem with that, only asking about Gotenks' speed and being infuriated that Gotenks ran off when he only had a a few moments left of the fusion time.


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Chapter: 472 (DBZ 278), P10.7
Context: after Goten and Trunks question Goku’s power and Piccolo gets mad
Goku: “It’s alright, Piccolo…I really am weak. It don’t look like I can beat Majin Boo, not even a little bit.”

The context of the whole thing was Goku wanting the boys to have the confidence to defeat Buu and future villains.

So? Goku and Piccolo was willing to kill off earthlings so it gives the boys an hour or so and after wish them back with the Dragonballs... Goku could have easily saved them by transforming into Ssj3 and kill Fat Buu but he didn't. Plus Gotenks is overrated... he got beat up so badly by fatty then by Evil Buu, and at the end Piccolo lost confidence until he used Ssj3.


There was no confidence thing. Goku merely wanted the the next generation to be able to handle the fight. Though even if confidence was part of it, that again doesn't negate Goku's point of saying Gotenks is stronger. Base Gotenks got beat up Fat Boo, big difference between that and SSJ Gotenks. Super Boo was massively more powerful than Fat Boo. Piccolo's own confidence in Post-Base Gotenks being superior to Pre-SSJ Gotenks still remains. The only thing he was wrong about was Gotenks ability to defeat Super Boo.

But let's take this argument of yours. Goku states Gohan would be stronger than him. He wanted Gohan to have confidence in defeating Cell and be part of the next generation to help the Earth. Gohan though gets utterly trounced by Cell throughout the entire fight and only gets off one kick that Cell basically ran into. It's only after transforming into SSJ2 that Gohan starts beating on Cell.

By your logic, Gohan must be weaker than Goku right?
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There was no confidence thing. Goku merely wanted the the next generation to be able to handle the fight. Though even if confidence was part of it, that again doesn't negate Goku's point of saying Gotenks is stronger. Base Gotenks got beat up Fat Boo, big difference between that and SSJ Gotenks. Super Boo was massively more powerful than Fat Boo. Piccolo's own confidence in Post-Base Gotenks being superior to Pre-SSJ Gotenks still remains. The only thing he was wrong about was Gotenks ability to defeat Super Boo.

But let's take this argument of yours. Goku states Gohan would be stronger than him. He wanted Gohan to have confidence in defeating Cell and be part of the next generation to help the Earth. Gohan though gets utterly trounced by Cell throughout the entire fight and only gets off one kick that Cell basically ran into. It's only after transforming into SSJ2 that Gohan starts beating on Cell.

By your logic, Gohan must be weaker than Goku right?


I'm going to start backwards.. in what way using my logic did you come up with Gohan being weaker than Goku? Did you not understand my previous post? I said within the context, meaning Goku had a halo on his head, he was only allowed one day and wasn't his place to save the earth anymore, that's the job for the next generation. So him lying to Goten and Trunks and to Piccolo has to have context, because otherwise then Goku literally said he was weaker than Fat Buu and cannot beat him at all no matter what he tried.
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Goku had confidence in Gotenks pre and for sure Goku was thinking about his Ssj, because looked what happened to base Gotenks. Surely, the great Gotenks that Goku was hoping to save the day wouldn't be reduce to this?
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And by the way, show a scan where it says there was power up from Fat Buu to Evil Buu? There a power difference between Evil Buu to Big Buff Buu.
Edited by Zoom, Apr 18 2016, 06:05 AM.
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