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So you'd agree that cutting funding for those areas would be alright?

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And do what?

Buuberries

Apr 16 2016, 12:55 AM

Even deadend research is worth it bc then we know it's a deadend and ppl won't waste time n the future researching the same thing

SSj4 Gotenks

Apr 16 2016, 12:55 AM

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So you'd agree that cutting funding for those areas would be alright?

When did i agree to that?

I've never said cut off funding. I'm just saying if they ask for HUGE amounts of money to build objects or go on missions that don't really help besides knowledge of our universe (because at the moment spending $14B and the outcome is "we don't know how our universe started or we just use the multiverse" is weak since LHC was online back in 2008/2009 or something. Now it's 2016 and the best response is we don't know... we need much more money to find something we don't even know where it ends". String theory is another area where it producers no results at all. $14B is not including the energy bill, the workers that needs to be paid and engineers and HDDs and RAIDS and super computers.

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SSj4 Gotenks

Apr 16 2016, 12:55 AM

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And do what?

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Nagito Komaeda

Apr 16 2016, 01:54 AM

Out of curiosity, how much do you think Astronomy, Astrophysics and Cosmology deserve? If they're going to get any significant work done, they need a lot of funding, so even if you want to try and keep it in a state of stagnation, it's still gonna cost a lot. Private individuals are funding endeavours into space travel and research, but you can't expect them to pay for everything.

Well, Obama tried to enact the cuts to deep-space exploration that he's aiming for 2017 for the 2016 budget, but Congress intervened and stopped him, so unless Congress had no idea what they're talking about, they must see this exploration as valuable.

http://www.universetoday.com/127309/nasa-2017-budget/

SSj4 Gotenks

Apr 16 2016, 02:14 AM

Nagito Komaeda

Apr 16 2016, 01:54 AM

Out of curiosity, how much do you think Astronomy, Astrophysics and Cosmology deserve? If they're going to get any significant work done, they need a lot of funding, so even if you want to try and keep it in a state of stagnation, it's still gonna cost a lot. Private individuals are funding endeavours into space travel and research, but you can't expect them to pay for everything.

Well, Obama tried to enact the cuts to deep-space exploration that he's aiming for 2017 for the 2016 budget, but Congress intervened and stopped him, so unless Congress had no idea what they're talking about, they must see this exploration as valuable.

http://www.universetoday.com/127309/nasa-2017-budget/

Out of the $19B budget? or the US federal $4 trillion?

Space travel is important indeed. I think you are mistaken by my earlier posts, but let me make it clear space travel that revolves around finding a new suitable planet or trying to find how Venus became uninhabitable to sustain any life(or life forms we are accustom to like water life based) because it isn't just selfish, it's beneficial to majority of humans that funds the project. If the project or mission can justified or have a set goal on what to expect, and how will benefit humans in 5 years, 10 years then yes i would give them the funds and a huge chuck more of the $4 trillion, but like i've said if they ask for $5 just to build something they don't know what they going to find, i'd rather hold off and invest that $5B into something like medicine or biology that can help earth.

SSj4 Gotenks

Apr 15 2016, 08:39 AM

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How about science waste;

Teaching Mountain Lions to Ride a Treadmill: $856,000
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Synchronized Swimming for Sea Monkeys: $307,524
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Funding Kids Dressing Like Fruits and Vegetables: $5 million
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Lost electronic devices from NASA: $1.1 million

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There are a lot of real properties within each country that science could try to help instead of wasting 13.29 billions for this particle accelerator, 5 billions for that, 2 billion for upgrades for more energy. 600 billions dollars over 10 years on sending people to mars to find rocks.

Nagito Komaeda

Apr 16 2016, 02:26 AM

SSj4 Gotenks

Apr 16 2016, 02:14 AM

Nagito Komaeda

Apr 16 2016, 01:54 AM

Out of curiosity, how much do you think Astronomy, Astrophysics and Cosmology deserve? If they're going to get any significant work done, they need a lot of funding, so even if you want to try and keep it in a state of stagnation, it's still gonna cost a lot. Private individuals are funding endeavours into space travel and research, but you can't expect them to pay for everything.

Well, Obama tried to enact the cuts to deep-space exploration that he's aiming for 2017 for the 2016 budget, but Congress intervened and stopped him, so unless Congress had no idea what they're talking about, they must see this exploration as valuable.

http://www.universetoday.com/127309/nasa-2017-budget/

Out of the $19B budget? or the US federal $4 trillion?

Space travel is important indeed. I think you are mistaken by my earlier posts, but let me make it clear space travel that revolves around finding a new suitable planet or trying to find how Venus became uninhabitable to sustain any life(or life forms we are accustom to like water life based) because it isn't just selfish, it's beneficial to majority of humans that funds the project. If the project or mission can justified or have a set goal on what to expect, and how will benefit humans in 5 years, 10 years then yes i would give them the funds and a huge chuck more of the $4 trillion, but like i've said if they ask for $5 just to build something they don't know what they going to find, i'd rather hold off and invest that $5B into something like medicine or biology that can help earth.

They need to spend that money to find out what we're dealing with a rule out possibilities. What you view as a waste of money, a scientist views as a big step forward in narrowing down what the truth actually is. Each failed experiment is a step towards a successful one. You're asking for the impossible there; scientists can't guarantee a certain result in 5 or 10 years. If they could, then there wouldn't be any failed experiments.

Our time on this planet is limited. The scary thing is, we don't know how limited it is. The sooner we properly invest in this kind of research, the sooner we'll have an escape route if something does happen that makes the Earth dangerous to inhabit.

Saiyajin Perfection

Apr 16 2016, 03:50 AM

A simple argument is that just because we don't understand now doesn't mean that we won't understand it in the future. Our understanding of the concept is limited by what we know now, not what we will know in the future.

Not saying that anyone's making this claim, but something also worth mentioning is that just because we don't know now doesn't automatically mean "God did it".
If that's the logic that people want to use, than the concept of God is simply a forever shrinking void of "unknown". There's no arguing against someone with that mindset, no matter what evidence you throw their direction.

It is indeed odd that we don't understand a lot about the Earth, but claim to know the origin of the Universe. However, gathering information about the Earth and how it works is far more complicated and tedious than brainstorming and scribbling equations on a blackboard, which is where the theories about the origin of the Universe comes from.