How come science think they knowing the origin of our universe but fail to understand

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How come science think they knowing the origin of our universe but fail to understand
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Zoom	Apr 15 2016, 11:12 PM Post #46
Posts: 3,426 Group: Member Member #12,146 Joined: March 16, 2015 Gender Male	I did provide facts. 13.29 billions dollars on a particle accelerator that hasn't produced results besides finding the higgs field and even after all the years, they are not any closer to finding the origin than before they started. The HGP provided valuable data that can used for medicine etc... what does finding the origin do besides spending 14 billions?



+ Pelador	Apr 15 2016, 11:14 PM Post #47
Crazy Awesome Legend Posts: 25,663 Group: Legend Member #4,634 Joined: December 12, 2009 Gender Not Specified Country None Favourite Anime HunterxHunter What Browser do you use? Firefox Favourite Manga Dragonball	Maybe you should read some scientific journals and find out instead of whining about it on here?
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* Yu Narukami	Apr 15 2016, 11:20 PM Post #48
Izanagi! Posts: 12,330 Group: Retired Staff Member #6,446 Joined: July 3, 2011 Gender Not Specified Country None	SSj4 Gotenks Apr 15 2016, 11:12 PM I did provide facts. 13.29 billions dollars on a particle accelerator that hasn't produced results besides finding the higgs field and even after all the years, they are not any closer to finding the origin than before they started. The HGP provided valuable data that can used for medicine etc... what does finding the origin do besides spending 14 billions? The confirmation of the Higgs Field was huge, brought legitimacy to decades of work that preceded it. You don't need immediate results for something to be worthwhile. Studying this kind of stuff is going to take decades no matter when we start, so the sooner we start it, the sooner we'll find out more about the Universe. Like it or not, humans travelling into space is going to become a necessity at some point, and any kind of research that even holds the possibility of furthering our understanding of the vast space we're going to be travelling into is definitely worthwhile. Also, what about the countless scientists who're working on studying the Universe right now? They specialise in studying it, so it's not like you can move them to some other area of science that you deem more important, so you'd have to either cut the funding to the point where they couldn't do anything worthwhile or you'd have to fire most of them. Shrinking that area is going to have an impact on how it works in the future too; if you severely cut funding to a certain area of science, people aren't going to be as interested in going into that area, as they wouldn't be able to fully study what they want and it wouldn't be financially worthwhile.



Zoom	Apr 15 2016, 11:23 PM Post #49
Posts: 3,426 Group: Member Member #12,146 Joined: March 16, 2015 Gender Male	Pelador Apr 15 2016, 11:14 PM Maybe you should read some scientific journals and find out instead of whining about it on here? I did, all the medical advancement has to nothing to with finding the higgs. It's only applied to the medical areas where the detectors can used for medical applications such as low level light imagining. This is not the results of finding the higg particle.



+ Pelador	Apr 15 2016, 11:25 PM Post #50
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Zoom	Apr 15 2016, 11:36 PM Post #51
Posts: 3,426 Group: Member Member #12,146 Joined: March 16, 2015 Gender Male	What? The funding comes from tax payers to build the LHC and every other space missions that cost hundreds of billions of $, the particle accelerator was build by France, Switzerland, Canada, Japan, Russia and the US. http://home.cern/topics/large-hadron-collider The only other example I can compare it to when countries come together was the HGP in 2000 and that produced results in data. Finding the higgs has done nothing so far, the private sector is cashing on the equipment used to build the LCH for medical imaging and stuff. Finding the higgs has only benefited the physicists to help them answer questions which only relating to the origin.



* Yu Narukami	Apr 15 2016, 11:39 PM Post #52
Izanagi! Posts: 12,330 Group: Retired Staff Member #6,446 Joined: July 3, 2011 Gender Not Specified Country None	SSj4 Gotenks Apr 15 2016, 11:36 PM What? The funding comes from tax payers to build the LHC and every other space missions that cost hundreds of billions of $, the particle accelerator was build by France, Switzerland, Canada, Japan, Russia and the US. http://home.cern/topics/large-hadron-collider The only other example I can compare it to when countries come together was the HGP in 2000 and that produced results in data. Finding the higgs has done nothing so far, the private sector is cashing on the equipment used to build the LCH for medical imaging and stuff. Finding the higgs has only benefited the physicists to help them answer questions which only relating to the origin. And legitimising the years of research that had been carried out before it, thus justifying said research.



Zoom	Apr 15 2016, 11:46 PM Post #53
Posts: 3,426 Group: Member Member #12,146 Joined: March 16, 2015 Gender Male	legitimizing a theory that only (so far) help explain our origin vs spending 14 billion $ towards finding an alt fuel or energy would be much helpful to every human on earth. And the danger of fuel shortage is real and it might come within 10 years.



* Yu Narukami	Apr 15 2016, 11:54 PM Post #54
Izanagi! Posts: 12,330 Group: Retired Staff Member #6,446 Joined: July 3, 2011 Gender Not Specified Country None	SSj4 Gotenks Apr 15 2016, 11:46 PM legitimizing a theory that only (so far) help explain our origin vs spending 14 billion $ towards finding an alt fuel or energy would be much helpful to every human on earth. And the danger of fuel shortage is real and it might come within 10 years. Right, and what about all the scientists who don't work in the areas that you deem 'more important'?



Goddess Ultimecia	Apr 16 2016, 12:00 AM Post #55
Posts: 10,145 Group: RP Moderator Member #8,473 Joined: October 26, 2012 Gender Male Country None	Nagito Komaeda Apr 15 2016, 11:54 PM SSj4 Gotenks Apr 15 2016, 11:46 PM legitimizing a theory that only (so far) help explain our origin vs spending 14 billion $ towards finding an alt fuel or energy would be much helpful to every human on earth. And the danger of fuel shortage is real and it might come within 10 years. Right, and what about all the scientists who don't work in the areas that you deem 'more important'? Too bad for them, maybe they shouldn't conflict with the obvious anti-science and pro-stagnation bias shown in this thread.
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Zoom	Apr 16 2016, 12:01 AM Post #56
Posts: 3,426 Group: Member Member #12,146 Joined: March 16, 2015 Gender Male	What areas are you talking about? Medicine? I find that very important. We should spend more money here. New inventions that might help replace oil? I find that important. spend more money here. Better security measures to protect our airports and detect drugs traffickers. I find that important. More money here. Biology? Yes please, the data could help create better vaccines and medicine. Quote: Too bad for them, maybe they shouldn't conflict with the obvious anti-science and pro-stagnation bias shown in this thread. That's right, i forgot i was religious and i was on a mission to disprove science. Where did that come from? I'm not bashing science at all. Just saying it will be better target towards areas that will benefit a vast majority since the people are paying for all this taxpayers. Edited by Zoom, Apr 16 2016, 12:07 AM.



* Yu Narukami	Apr 16 2016, 12:03 AM Post #57
Izanagi! Posts: 12,330 Group: Retired Staff Member #6,446 Joined: July 3, 2011 Gender Not Specified Country None	SSj4 Gotenks Apr 16 2016, 12:01 AM What areas are you talking about? Medicine? I find that very important. We should spend more money here. New inventions that might help replace oil? I find that important. spend more money here. Better security measures to protect our airports and detect drugs traffickers. I find that important. More money here. Biology? Yes please, the data could help create better vaccines. I'm talking about cosmologists, astrophysicists and astronomers, all of which focus on studying and researching space and the Universe.



Zoom	Apr 16 2016, 12:20 AM Post #58
Posts: 3,426 Group: Member Member #12,146 Joined: March 16, 2015 Gender Male	Nagito Komaeda Apr 16 2016, 12:03 AM SSj4 Gotenks Apr 16 2016, 12:01 AM What areas are you talking about? Medicine? I find that very important. We should spend more money here. New inventions that might help replace oil? I find that important. spend more money here. Better security measures to protect our airports and detect drugs traffickers. I find that important. More money here. Biology? Yes please, the data could help create better vaccines. I'm talking about cosmologists, astrophysicists and astronomers, all of which focus on studying and researching space and the Universe. Well if they ask for government funded money that cost $10 billion to build and they can't justify the cost to congress besides for knowledge, why grant them $10B where $10B can be used for medicines and research to help biology where that field is practical? I'm not against science and the progress, i'm not saying we should cut off certain areas, but if you're telling or the data is showing that the only positives of funding this is to progress our knowledge of our universe, i say put that on hold until you can think of better reasons. Like example astronomy is very useful because not only it helps explaining our universe, but if we [or the astronomers] have better equipment they can detect dangers that can destroy our earth.



* Yu Narukami	Apr 16 2016, 12:25 AM Post #59
Izanagi! Posts: 12,330 Group: Retired Staff Member #6,446 Joined: July 3, 2011 Gender Not Specified Country None	SSj4 Gotenks Apr 16 2016, 12:20 AM Nagito Komaeda Apr 16 2016, 12:03 AM SSj4 Gotenks Apr 16 2016, 12:01 AM What areas are you talking about? Medicine? I find that very important. We should spend more money here. New inventions that might help replace oil? I find that important. spend more money here. Better security measures to protect our airports and detect drugs traffickers. I find that important. More money here. Biology? Yes please, the data could help create better vaccines. I'm talking about cosmologists, astrophysicists and astronomers, all of which focus on studying and researching space and the Universe. Well if they ask for government funded money that cost $10 billion to build and they can't justify the cost to congress besides for knowledge, why grant them $10B where $10B can be used for medicines and research to help biology where that field is practical? I'm not against science and the progress, i'm not saying we should cut off certain areas, but if you're telling or the data is showing that the only positives of funding this is to progress our knowledge of our universe, i say put that on hold until you can think of better reasons. Like example astronomy is very useful because not only it helps explaining our universe, but if we [or the astronomers] have better equipment they can detect dangers that can destroy our earth. So you'd agree that cutting funding for those areas would be alright? You'd basically be decimating those areas, and even when you eventually start pumping money back into it, you'd have to wait for students to choose those areas and actually go through College to qualify for them. The understanding of the Universe is an investment in our future; what do you want? What would it take for you to class these studies as 'worth it'?



Tinny	Apr 16 2016, 12:37 AM Post #60
Posts: 6,060 Group: Super Moderator Member #12,355 Joined: May 24, 2015 Gender Not Specified Favourite Anime Silver Spoon, Fate/Zero, Legend of Galactic Heroes, Space Patrol Luluco, Psycho-pass, Miss Kobayashi What Browser do you use? Chrome, Edge Favourite Manga Wizard's Soul ~Holy War of Love~	Quote: Like example astronomy is very useful because not only it helps explaining our universe, but if we [or the astronomers] have better equipment they can detect dangers that can destroy our earth. And do what? Quote: How about stop sending a useless scientist into space which cost a fortune instead spend it on hunger and poverty and war and disease. Why not cut funding to both or neither? Space Travel and the colonization of other planets I think would be very important, as well as other kinds of space technology to either stop or redirect the asteroid, which takes funding. Edited by Tinny, Apr 16 2016, 12:40 AM.
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