How come science think they knowing the origin of our universe but fail to understand

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How come science think they knowing the origin of our universe but fail to understand
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Zoom	Apr 15 2016, 05:20 AM Post #31
Posts: 3,426 Group: Member Member #12,146 Joined: March 16, 2015 Gender Male	Steve Apr 15 2016, 05:07 AM ...it's still his work though. The student wouldn't be figuring all the stuff out without Hawkings mind. That's actually kind of an insulting thing to say, as if Hawking can't be useful due to his condition... Considering America is practically deserving of being called a hyperpower at this point the defence budget is ridiculous, way too much money goes in to drone strikes and other nonsense all for the sake of violence. Scientific advancement is a much more worthwhile cause. If most of the money spent on missiles was given to NASA they could probably be well on their way to building a space station for a colony of people. Instead we have politicians and whatnot only just agreeing global warming is a thing when scientists have been warning about it for decades. Actually, it's not really. All Hawkings do is just point the student in the right direct and he does all the equations and working out and types all that s* up. And Stephen Hawkings get all the fame and money. start from 35.30 and 37.29 http://www.dailymotion.com/video/x1bk6he_the-hawking-paradox-horizon-discovery-science-space-documentary_tv https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zn7-fVtT16k Edited by Zoom**, Apr 15 2016, 05:33 AM.



+ Ginyu	Apr 15 2016, 05:49 AM Post #32
Leve Feyenoord 1! Posts: 4,490 Group: Elite Member Member #9,685 Joined: June 30, 2013 Gender Female Country Netherlands Favourite Anime NJPW What Browser do you use? Chrome Favourite Manga Reading is for nerds, yo!	Nobody Apr 15 2016, 05:12 AM SSj4 Gotenks Apr 15 2016, 01:33 AM How can science think they know the origin of our universe but fail to understand the simple things- 1. earths weather. the equipment used that says the weather is 86% of a sunny day, but in the morning it rains non stop. 2. don't know how life started. 3. they don't anything beyond evolution. 4. fails to understand what conscience is. 5. fails to understand how human brains evolved and why we are so smart. but we all to believe the scientists have it correct about the origin of the big bang 14 billions years ago, but they fail to understand our own earth? please. Our countries combined spend 100 trillion dollars on funding stupid projects and spending hundreds of millions of dollars sending a over rated scientists into space, they get paid millions just to day dream and the best they can come up with is we cannot get norther than the north pole. How about stop sending a useless scientist into space which cost a fortune instead spend it on hunger and poverty and war and disease. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Er1kTF3smOE That is why I dont believe in science. Sure usually it is wonderful, when it comes to say how things work and why (in the general aspects of life) but when we examine the edges (subatomic particles and cosmic objects ) it has some flaws They invented a theory to give answer to any question, and a lot of people on the globe eat that s*. Bug bang is just a theory, a theory of creation. Yeah it is good, but it has a damn weak point since the basic idea of the theory is against Physics. Well whatever they used to say...".lets say it was this way but we just cant say how ". And thats the big part of the s* since this way I myself can also invent a theory of creation Lets say Zeus created the world..... he created it and everything after relies upon physics. See I put Zeus as the first mover...Its better than saying Big bang happened WITHOUT any cause. Saying this would be equal to saying to the tax company" You know I should not pay taxes after this money since I got the money by falling onto my head out of nowhere." Sure it is a weak metaphore but its the same.... the money falls onto my head out of nothing it has zero cause or pre-action (work at a job and thus earning it ) Wait... So you're telling me that the Big Bang happened without any any cause, But f*ing Zeus with his magical powers appearing out of nowhere with his omnipotence saying: Bam! World created, bs! That would be rational thinking to you? Where is the cause in that!? Also, "just a theory" Don't say that, just don't. http://www.diffen.com/difference/Hypothesis_vs_Theory See, when it comes to science you also have to think of the alternative. When science doesnt have an answer to something, chances are, no one has a real answer to the question. Sure religion claims to have one, but religion always fails to find a single piece of evidence, they just claim things, and when you burden them with proof they'll tell you God is infinite or our brains can't comprehend God. A system of belief that has the balls to admit it doesn't know, science in this case, is the only rational belief system in my opinion. Admitting you don't know is better than making something up. Edited by Ginyu*, Apr 15 2016, 05:49 AM.
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+ Steve	Apr 15 2016, 07:07 AM Post #33
Greetings. I will be your waifu this season. Posts: 19,471 Group: Legend Member #5,710 Joined: February 7, 2011 Gender Male Country United Kingdom Favourite Anime Hunter x Hunter(2011) What Browser do you use? Mozilla Firefox Favourite Manga Berserk all day erry day	SSj4 Gotenks Apr 15 2016, 05:20 AM Actually, it's not really. All Hawkings do is just point the student in the right direct and he does all the equations and working out and types all that s* up. And Stephen Hawkings get all the fame and money. start from 35.30 and 37.29 http://www.dailymotion.com/video/x1bk6he_the-hawking-paradox-horizon-discovery-science-space-documentary_tv https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zn7-fVtT16k You realize that's the easy part right? Writing stuff up literally anyone could do except Hawking because he's disabled so he has someone do it for him. When you have an equation written down it's easy to solve if you know how but figuring out new s* isn't that simple. I don't see why you can fault science for not understanding how the universe was created. We've been here a minuscule amount of time compared to the universe as a whole and we don't have any of the means to get out there and try make sense of it, literally all we can do is look at the past with telescopes and theorize. Why does that mean science sucks? Versus what? Blind assumptions? What about all the other things science has proven, they're just irrelevant because science hasn't immediately found out easily the biggest mystery in the whole damn universe? Science is why we live past our forties and don't all have polio or smallpox, should think that's deserving of some respect. Especially if religion comes in to it which has caused...well, um, mostly war and general conflict. Excellent.
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Buuberries	Apr 15 2016, 07:53 AM Post #34
No Posts: 7,150 Group: Members Member #8,753 Joined: December 30, 2012 Gender Not Specified Country None Favourite Anime The Passion of Christ What Browser do you use? Christianity Favourite Manga The Bible	pointer, how many times have i tried to drill in your head what a theory is?
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Zoom	Apr 15 2016, 08:39 AM Post #35
Posts: 3,426 Group: Member Member #12,146 Joined: March 16, 2015 Gender Male	Steve Apr 15 2016, 07:07 AM SSj4 Gotenks Apr 15 2016, 05:20 AM Actually, it's not really. All Hawkings do is just point the student in the right direct and he does all the equations and working out and types all that s* up. And Stephen Hawkings get all the fame and money. start from 35.30 and 37.29 http://www.dailymotion.com/video/x1bk6he_the-hawking-paradox-horizon-discovery-science-space-documentary_tv https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zn7-fVtT16k You realize that's the easy part right? Writing stuff up literally anyone could do except Hawking because he's disabled so he has someone do it for him. When you have an equation written down it's easy to solve if you know how but figuring out new s* isn't that simple. I don't see why you can fault science for not understanding how the universe was created. We've been here a minuscule amount of time compared to the universe as a whole and we don't have any of the means to get out there and try make sense of it, literally all we can do is look at the past with telescopes and theorize. Why does that mean science sucks? Versus what? Blind assumptions? What about all the other things science has proven, they're just irrelevant because science hasn't immediately found out easily the biggest mystery in the whole damn universe? Science is why we live past our forties and don't all have polio or smallpox, should think that's deserving of some respect. Especially if religion comes in to it which has caused...well, um, mostly war and general conflict. Excellent. How about science waste; Teaching Mountain Lions to Ride a Treadmill: $856,000 or Synchronized Swimming for Sea Monkeys: $307,524 or Funding Kids Dressing Like Fruits and Vegetables: $5 million or Lost electronic devices from NASA: $1.1 million Put it this way, the way science is using up our countries resources is like Stone Cold drinking beer while Hulk Hogan doesn't waste the beer. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TqtbjeYkGiU Don't compare science budget with defense budget or other stuff, we talking about scientists being real and faithful. There are a lot of real properties within each country that science could try to help instead of wasting 13.29 billions for this particle accelerator, 5 billions for that, 2 billion for upgrades for more energy. 600 billions dollars over 10 years on sending people to mars to find rocks.



Buuberries	Apr 15 2016, 08:44 AM Post #36
No Posts: 7,150 Group: Members Member #8,753 Joined: December 30, 2012 Gender Not Specified Country None Favourite Anime The Passion of Christ What Browser do you use? Christianity Favourite Manga The Bible	knowledge for the sake of knowledge is enough reason. why does there have to be some other benefit for it to be not considered a waste?
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Zoom	Apr 15 2016, 08:49 AM Post #37
Posts: 3,426 Group: Member Member #12,146 Joined: March 16, 2015 Gender Male	Do you pay tax? Have you looked at the cost it will cost the taxpayers over a certain amount of time?



Buuberries	Apr 15 2016, 09:13 AM Post #38
No Posts: 7,150 Group: Members Member #8,753 Joined: December 30, 2012 Gender Not Specified Country None Favourite Anime The Passion of Christ What Browser do you use? Christianity Favourite Manga The Bible	yup. no issues with me.
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Goddess Ultimecia	Apr 15 2016, 09:20 AM Post #39
Posts: 10,145 Group: RP Moderator Member #8,473 Joined: October 26, 2012 Gender Male Country None	Isn't current computer technology and cell phones a direct result of research done into space? Specifically the landing on the moon?
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* Yu Narukami	Apr 15 2016, 09:25 AM Post #40
Izanagi! Posts: 12,330 Group: Retired Staff Member #6,446 Joined: July 3, 2011 Gender Not Specified Country None	Again, what about the cosmologists and the other people who've worked their entire lives to specialise in a field you don't deem important enough to get sufficient funding? ''Sorry Billy, I know you worked hard getting that degree and I appreciate the level of enthusiasm you have, but we just don't have enough funding to support the new people who're interested in Cosmology.'' Do you realise how important science has been and is going to be? If you start stripping it down now, people aren't going to be interested, and we're gonna have yet another generation that's scientifically illiterate on everything that isn't deemed a 'priority'. In my opinion, studying space is absolutely a necessity. The US Government has never held that opinion; the only reason they got involved in the Space race is because it was something they could beat Russia at. It's extremely disappointing to see how support for research into space has just stopped.



Gearfried	Apr 15 2016, 10:41 AM Post #41
Posts: 283 Group: Member Member #12,609 Joined: August 31, 2015 Gender Male	Space programs take tons of tax money, for what. this is a special place everyone.
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Goddess Ultimecia	Apr 15 2016, 11:34 AM Post #42
Posts: 10,145 Group: RP Moderator Member #8,473 Joined: October 26, 2012 Gender Male Country None	Gearfried Apr 15 2016, 10:41 AM Space programs take tons of tax money, for what. this is a special place everyone. I'm probably going to get warned for this, quite frankly I don't care. Were you dropped on your head?
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Buuberries	Apr 15 2016, 11:35 AM Post #43
No Posts: 7,150 Group: Members Member #8,753 Joined: December 30, 2012 Gender Not Specified Country None Favourite Anime The Passion of Christ What Browser do you use? Christianity Favourite Manga The Bible	yeah im not even going to dignify that with a proper response lol
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Zoom	Apr 15 2016, 10:14 PM Post #44
Posts: 3,426 Group: Member Member #12,146 Joined: March 16, 2015 Gender Male	Goddess Ultimecia Apr 15 2016, 09:20 AM Isn't current computer technology and cell phones a direct result of research done into space? Specifically the landing on the moon? Computers and smart phones are the direct results from Qm and Qm was done back in the 1920-30 or 40's. They didn't need HUGE amount of government grants to waste to benefit mankind. Spending hundreds of billions of dollars on mars rocks, dark energy and particle accelerator has not benefited man kind in any way of form besides assumption knowledge and curiosity. What has spending 14 billions dollars on a particle accelerator informed us about our origin that we didn't know before hand? Scientists still don't know anything besides the very beginning was pure energy and was very dense and hot. Wow we knew that in the 80's of the singularity... So we spend 14 billions and the only thing you scientists can tell us is that you've found the higgs particle? And not that just, the assumption part is we don't know, but everything could be an accident, the higgs field could be an accident, the laws could be a accident, and the best explanation you guy insert is the anthropic principle. But scientists go: wait a minute, there's a multiverse, dark energy, dark matter... Congress: That's a lot of money for a universe coming from nothing. Science: You know the beginning of time is a special condition and we need even MORE money actually we need you to increase our science funding to half of America's budget. Congress: Why, because if don't America will fall behind. ^ all that is was done in a stupid manner. I don't mean to condescending in way, but spending trillions of dollars throughout a long period of time when you cannot even predict on what results you're going to get is a waste, not while you can actually put your efforts into other areas and do some real good work. Invest in renewable energy, invest in alt fuel source which is actually a REAL threat, in 5 or 10 years oil can be all used up. Invest in better security detectors at the airports and docks so drug traffickers can't get through. In 2000, the U.S, France, China, Germany, U.K, and Japan have all worked together working on the Human Genome Project, and after 13 years of research and money put into it, it payed off because instead of adding The anthropic principle or this could be accident, that could be a accident, the HGP produced results and data. Actually it produced scientific results and not assumptions and the data has benefit humans in every possible way. That's my whole point, the money could be spend elsewhere where science could actually produce results and not wait another 10 to 50 years on something.



+ Pelador	Apr 15 2016, 10:46 PM Post #45
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