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Topic Started: Apr 11 2016, 07:12 PM (672 Views)
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My opinion is probably pretty unpopular here, but I don't think there's a way to be certain that any form of written history is accurate, especially if it's very ancient history. There could be a multitude of reasons for it being changed or biased. What do you guys think?
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Of course. Until a few hundred years ago, there wasn't even a proper process of recording history. People could say whatever the heck they liked regardless of truth. For centuries people though Neanderthals were lumbering and stupid just because some a***** French guy drew the depiction that way. The walls of Jericho being destroyed by trumpets? It never had any walls.


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You are right.
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How is that unpopular? Doesn't everyone think that?
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It truly was a Shawshank redemption

Once the last person alive to have experienced an event is dead, nothing is 100% fact (and even then, there's no way to be 100% sure they're telling the truth). There's a lot of trust placed in the sources we get our information from.
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Even semi-modern stuff isn't infallible. History is written by the victor
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That is true. It's only recently that people have started viewing Napoleon much differently. In the past he was seen as a tyrannical usurper. Now that our philosophies have caught up with his we can see him for what he really was. A great reformist who let his pride cloud his better judgement. I mean, how often do dictators not go down the genocide route? How he mostly didn't become corrupted is a testament to his leadership.


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History

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i = 9th
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the sum is 114

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the 6th letter of the alphabet is F

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What will you do when you get old?

So would you say then that the Holocaust happened 100% the way we're told it happened?
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No way to tell. Unless you ask a hundred year old ex German soldier and then you have memory problems.
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Herodotos once said the persian forces were millions at termopulay. And they gave him credit when he tries to prove how the pyramids were built

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So would you say then that the Holocaust happened 100% the way we're told it happened?
There are people that think it didn't happen at all :rofl:

Just propaganda to make people hate the Nazi's, Hitler didn't do anything wrong! It was all a ploy! For...for...oil! I mean, probably!


Anyway yeah I often wonder how true many apparent events of history are, particularly in war like heroic acts performed by kings and such.
Most of them sound like action movie bulls***.

"Aw yeah I totally killed those 30 guys. With one arrow. I aimed it so well it went through their skulls and bounced around killing them all in quick succession"

"Really?"

"Well they're all dead aren't they? Of course I did!"
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Yeah. Most of the Nazis weren't evil like in movies. Many were disgusted with what people like Menegele and Goeth did and even with Eichmann.

Actual Nazi records put the number of people killed in Nazi camps during the Holocaust at 60,000-80,000, and none of them were burned alive. Not all of them were Jews either, a lot of them were there simply for being homosexual. They were either killed by firing squad or with Zyclon-B. The corpses were cremated to prevent disease among the prisoners and soldiers. Now, many people were subject to very s***ty living conditions, even in Nazi records they indicated that, but those numbers were like 300,000 people. The "6 million" Jews killed by Nazis would have been nearly impossible due to there only being roughly 966,000 Jews in Nazi controlled or allied territories.

Considering Hitler wanted the Jews out of Germany, it would make absolutely no sense to ship 5 million Jews in to Germany just to kill them. Even now it would be a tremendous undertaking and there was no evidence of trafficking 5 million people in to Germany at all.

Did the Holocaust happen? Maybe, I'm sure Eichmann would have killed 6 Million Jews if he had the chance. Were 6 million Jews actually executed? No. It was fabricated to get the American people to support entering the war and force Israel in to being without any resistance.

Also, wouldn't you think some people in those 6 million that were alleged to be executed would fight back?

After the Sack of Poland, when the Soviets and Stalin took over Poland, Stalin killed millions people, most of them Jews but the Nazis did not kill 6 million Jews, not even 6 million people. Stalin probably killed 6 Million Jews, but when talking about the Holocaust it's always what the Nazis did and not about what the Soviet Union/USSR did. They were the real monsters.

Without the support of the people our government knew entering the European theater, we'd fail. The government was only concerned with the spread of communism that had the Soviets managed to get a foothold in Europe, would be detrimental to Americas economy and interests. It's the exact same thing with the American Civil War. The South was not fighting to keep slavery, they were fighting for their independence and to preserve their way of life. Lincoln knew he would not succeed in his attempts to conquer the South if it was a political war, so he turned it in to war of morals by saying the South are only fighting to keep slaves.
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There's a difference between being a German soldier and being a Nazi. If you were a German soldier then I suppose you can make the argument that they were defending their country etc. though they were still helping to prop up an evil regime so it's morally dubious at best. If you were an actual Nazi, as in member of the party or an SS officer then you were complicit in what happened and I consider you evil. You had to actually support those policies to be in that position.

Are you seriously going down the holocaust denial route? Honestly? The Holocaust happened, there is so much evidence to show that it happened, SS officers and personnel who were there admit to it happening. The notion that it didn't and was part of some conspiracy is lunacy derived from anti-semetic a***** who try to poorly twist historical fact to fit their pathetic narrative. Don't get drawn in to that bulls***.

People don't talk about the USSR in relation to the Holocaust because they weren't involved in it. The Holocaust refers to the systematic genocide of Jews and other minorities in Europe by the Nazi's in WWII. Stalin and the USSR have plenty of their own atrocities that history remembers but that is not one of them.

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The South was not fighting to keep slavery, they were fighting for their independence and to preserve their way of life.


Yeah and part of that way of life was the right to keep slaves. Even if they had other causes, slavery was undoubtedly part of the reason of the South went to war. Heck, South Carolina's declaration of secession specifically mentions slavery as a reason why they seceded in the first place, you can't just deny that was the reason.
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