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| Gearfried | Apr 13 2016, 11:34 PM Post #76 |
 
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I have to say, i do not see women as home makers. also i prefer to cook for myself. i wonder who, around my age (28) sees women as home makers? did they warp from the old days? 60's and back? i just to state for anyone that may not understand me, i am for equal rights. |
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| Jet | Apr 13 2016, 11:35 PM Post #77 |
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I just wish feminism did a bit more than pay lip service to men's issues. Suicide, custody battles, the stigma of men in early childhood education etc. You'd think the severity of those issues would result in it gaining a bit more traction in the media and the feminist movement than manspreading, more expensive women's shampoo etc. |
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Apr 13 2016, 11:40 PM Post #78 |
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https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rape_culture I may not agree with everything said in that article--I didn't read it all--but that should give you all the info you could possibly need. |
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| Know'm Sayin' | Apr 14 2016, 12:02 AM Post #79 |
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You're trying to fight nature itself. For example if the circumstances were switched and women were naturally physically superior than men and were extremely just as sexually driven like men are today, and men were the naturally weaker/shorter human being THEN men would be the majority being raped. If you were a true feminist you would look at the situation from both perspectives. Potential male rapist seeks prey: weak, short female and easily manipulated. Potential female rapist seeks prey: weak, short male and easily manipulated. Accordingly I've met a girl who once told me jokingly that she made a guy who was mentally fragile, and easy to manipulate eat her out even tho he didn't want to she eventually got him to do it unwillingly by taunting him. The strong male or female will always prey on weak prey. I admit it sucks but people suck and that once again is human nature. Some people are set in their ways, but one way we can help to fix this is to teach future generations not to take advantage of people that way. |
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| + Ssj3vegito96 | Apr 14 2016, 12:10 AM Post #80 |
 
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Honestly yeah that's something you have to accept. There are a lot of people out there who are literally messed up in the head and don't really have any control. I'm not saying it's a victim's fault for being raped or mugged or whatever, but I'm saying that you should be smart. You can't just not be afraid of walking alone at night when you're dressed a certain way and you're drunk. That's practically asking for trouble. If you disagree then I'm sorry but you're living in a fantasy The reason why I don't call myself a feminist is because like Edgar Allen bro said, people like Hilary Clinton are the ones leading feminism right now and shes nuts. Yeah I understand the original definition of feminism is equality between both genders and that's great but nowadays if you say you're feminist people don't take it that way anymore |
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Apr 14 2016, 12:12 AM Post #81 |
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I look at all situations from multiple perspectives. That's why I consider myself to be an open-minded person. But that's neither here nor there since what I was arguing really has nothing to do with that.
I don't think you read my post the way you think you read my post. Rape culture is basically about creating a society that normalizes rape. Which is what our society has always been like. So I do agree with you in that it's "human nature" to an extent, but it has been socialized that way. It was normal for men to go into battle, pillage villages, and rape the women. Up until recently, it was legal for men to beat and rape their wives. It was never legal or acceptable for a woman to rape a male. Only very recently has that become a thing that occurs every now and then. Victim blaming and sexualization are modern problems, though. We have been socialized to blame the victim. Oh, she must have been dressed a certain way, or she was asking for it. Yes, recently there has been serious backlash against victim blaming and the sexualization of women... by feminists. Also, rape culture affects men as well. Rape denial is a problem, too, and we as a society have made it "weak" or "feminine" to admit to rape. A man who admits that he was raped? He must be a liar. He must be weak. He must have actually wanted it. This affects both genders. I know this. What I was arguing earlier, however, was how it affects women. I can see both sides of the issue, but earlier we were talking specifically about women and how they were objectified and/or treated unfairly. Of course there are problems for men as well. And there's a bit of irony here. Rape culture is the normalization of rape. Which is exactly what you guys are attempting to do. You say that rape is normal and natural, and I get where you're coming from, but we should not be attempting to normalize it as something innate. We aren't cavemen anymore. Edited by Doggo Champion 2k17, Apr 14 2016, 12:14 AM.
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| Dankness Lava | Apr 14 2016, 12:17 AM Post #82 |
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How do you suggest this be fixed then? |
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Apr 14 2016, 12:21 AM Post #83 |
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The most obvious answer is better sex ed. I didn't fully understand consent, boundaries, and rape until I was a freshman in college. I knew what rape was, but I didn't know what it could be, and I didn't realize that it was such a common problem. We should be taught from an early age what rape is, how rape can manifest in different situations, how to fight against urges or keep yourself out of situations that may lead to rape, and also how to prevent it. Currently, we are only taught how to prevent it, and that doesn't help with socialization at all. I'm sure that many of us have had passing thoughts of aggression, violence, or maybe even rape. We need to understand how to combat these urges rather than having everything explained to us in black and white terms. "Rape is bad. Don't rape. Also, don't walk outside late at night." None of that helps. |
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| Know'm Sayin' | Apr 14 2016, 12:29 AM Post #84 |
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You can't say it doesn't help, when making the decision to not walk home alone at night prevents you from being raped. Sex Ed will not completely stop anything. Considering a 20+ year old man knows what rape is, knows that it's bad, but he will still do it. In the end I do believe Sex Ed will help, but it will not completely eliminate the problem . Given that men are more sexually driven than women the rape ratio will always favor man in being the aggressor. Edited by Know'm Sayin', Apr 14 2016, 12:31 AM.
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| + Ssj3vegito96 | Apr 14 2016, 12:30 AM Post #85 |
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I remember hearing somewhere that where sex Ed was taught at a younger age, teenage pregnancies and rapes were less. Makes sense. I agree But the chance will always be there. You can definitely improve the situation though |
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| Copy_Ninja | Apr 14 2016, 10:16 AM Post #86 |
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You can't really stop women being jumped in a dark alley at night no, but there are certain things we can do to help. One is to stop victim blaming. 'You shouldn't have been walking alone', 'You shouldn't have been wearing that', 'You shouldn't have been drinking' etc. are all things that should never be said to a victim after the fact yet people think it's fine to say all the time. Assigning blame to the victim makes them less likely to come forward, in order to avoid being apportioned blame for what happened, which then makes it harder to convict rapists. There needs to be more encouragement. Another issue is consent, which needs to be emphasised more. No means no, it's not an invitation for guys to try and change her mind, which happens all the time. Also, if a girl can barely stand, she can't really consent and sleeping with her is not ok (this goes both ways obviously). Another thing is not to attack victims that come forward. A perfect example is the whole Tobuscus thing that's happening right now. If you don't know, an ex of a well known YouTuber has come forward and made accusations of rape against him. These things happened a while ago and there's no real proof other than her word against his, as there often is in these cases. No one knows the truth other than those two people. Yet, there are a LOT of people who are calling her a liar and giving her abuse for it. Just as it's wrong to call someone a rapist based on unproven allegations, it's wrong to call someone a liar if they make an accusation. This just further discourages future victims from speaking out for fear of backlash. That's what people mean by 'rape culture.' |
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| + Pointer | Apr 14 2016, 12:43 PM Post #87 |
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OFG In the USA i think its pretty hard for a female to get into a special forces In that field you can argue so that women has "less" rights Edited by Pointer, Apr 14 2016, 12:44 PM.
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Apr 19 2016, 11:00 AM Post #88 |
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I don't agree because feminists make up only a small percentage of the population, so by that logic, the vast majority of people would be labelled as sexist. Besides, being an anti-feminist or simply not identifying as a feminist =/= being a sexist. You can identify as a humanist, egalitarian, Men's Rights Advocate and support equality for all. |
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| + Ginyu | Apr 19 2016, 06:16 PM Post #89 |
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"I don't agree because feminists make up only a small percentage of the population, so by that logic, the vast majority of people would be labelled as sexist." That's not the point. She isn't saying "you're not a feminist, therefore you are a sexist." She is saying it the other way around: "You're not a sexist, therefore you are a feminist." She is talking about how people fail to define feminism, they fail to understand it is about equality between genders. That means both men and women. Feminists fight for equality between men and women. Thus anti-feminists are people who don't equality between both sexes, and therefore anti-feminists actually ARE sexists, or fail to grasp what feminism is. Humanism has nothing to do with gender/sex so I don't even know why you mentioned that. Egalitarianism is for equality between ALL people so it goes beyond gender/sex. All egalitarians are feminists, not all feminists are egalitarians. Men's right advocates are people who advocate for men's rights. It's not a political movement. |
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| Dankness Lava | Apr 19 2016, 06:21 PM Post #90 |
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Shouldn't Egalitarianism be the goal then i stead of feminism? I also think the name should be changed to something along the lines of genderism |
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