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Do You Agree?; feminist Interivew
Tweet Topic Started: Apr 7 2016, 03:13 AM (4,262 Views)
+ Ginyu	Apr 11 2016, 07:27 PM Post #31
Leve Feyenoord 1! Posts: 4,490 Group: Elite Member Member #9,685 Joined: June 30, 2013 Gender Female Country Netherlands Favourite Anime NJPW What Browser do you use? Chrome Favourite Manga Reading is for nerds, yo!	Frost Demon Mint Apr 11 2016, 07:07 PM GinyuTokusentai Apr 11 2016, 06:12 PM "If you believe that men and women are already more or less equal, you're sexist." No... What? By treating them as equals and not discriminating them based on their gender is the exact opposite of sexism. Believing that they are not equal is sexism. "Please ignore all the ways in which women are treated better than men." I am not, you clearly haven't read a single post in this threat. Feminism is about equality between genders, that means men's rights as well. "Yes, they pretend they don't like that either, but it's very rare for someone calling themselves a feminist to actually focus on those areas." Is it though? Or are you just getting that from Reddit and 9Gag? Have you ever met someone in person that told you they were a feminist? And were they like feminazis? The Internet loves to cherrypick the worst feminists, make them bigger and make fun of them. I very much doubt that you've met dozens of feminist advocates, and that most of them were sexists. Feminism is not just about furthering women, it's about making both genders equal, and to eliminate sexism on as many levels as possible. But you can't really be part of a movement if you're okay leaving things as they are, therefore anyone not wanting to change how either gender is treated must be sexist by her definition, since thy're not feminists. Besides, it doesn't matter if you say you're a feminist because you want equality for each side. By definition, it's for women. It's like me saying I'm a Democrat, then supporting and voting for Republicans. But Democrats still mean well, so I just take the title. Also, kudos for completely ignoring the fact that this quote merely serves to bully others into agreeing with her. "But you can't really be part of a movement if you're okay leaving things as they are, therefore anyone not wanting to change how either gender is treated must be sexist by her definition, since thy're not feminists." No, you completely missed her point. She says that we should stop calling ourselves feminists, there are simply sexists and non-sexists. You either support gender equality or you don't. If there is an area where men have an advantage over women without apparent reason, or the other way around, and you actively choose to not change that, then that is sexist. You choose to keep it that way, that is a sexist act. You either want equality or you don't. She's trying to explain what I'm trying to explain to you. Feminism is not just about furthering women, it's about achieving equality for both genders. Feminism is not by definition just for women. It is for equality between both genders, just because it's called feminism doesn't mean it's just for women. It's called feminism because the movement was established when women couldn't even vote or study. It's simple history. It's not like democrats and republicans at all. Oh, and besides, awefull example since what a republican and democrat is has changed. Republicans used to be for African American rights and democrats often opposed those ideas. They pretty much switched sides since the 19th century. So the meaning of movements CAN change. A democrat from long ago wouldn't be a democrat today. And I'm not ignoring your last point, I simply didn't bother to respond to it because you didn't get her point at all. I found it more important to respond to your misconceptions about feminism itself before responding to your misconceptions about what Maisie Williams is advocating.
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*Copy_Ninja*	Apr 11 2016, 07:38 PM Post #32
*Novacane for the pain* Posts: 8,033 Group: Guardian Member #6,499 Joined: July 18, 2011 Gender Not Specified Country None Favourite Anime Naruto, Fullmetal Alchemist: Brotherhood, Hunter x Hunter (2011) What Browser do you use? Google Chrome Favourite Manga Monster, One Piece, Naruto, Fullmetal Alchemist, Hunter X Hunter, Death Note, SnK	Gearfried Apr 11 2016, 07:13 PM I think ill post a few pictures. here is a funny one. Lol completely ignoring what other people have said in the thread. It's easy to attack extreme positions, what about the majority of people in the middle who are simply asking that women be treated socially and professionally the same way men are? Eternal Agony Apr 11 2016, 07:09 PM I don't believe women should be treated exactly the same as men. Why? Yes, feminism focuses on women because women are generally the sex that is most effected by gender inequality. It makes sense to focus on the bigger problem. Most of the problems feminism is aimed at tackling benefits men's problems too. Breaking down gender roles helps men by taking the focus away from women being the caregivers and home providers, giving men more of an equal footing as a parent and in a more equal position in terms of parental rights. Toxic masculinity which discourages men from expressing emotion, which contributes to male mental health issues and suicide. Both of these things also help with domestic violence. If there's not a classification of men as the dominant sex or an expectation of masculinity, then society will be more willing to accept that men can also be victims.
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Dankness Lava	Apr 11 2016, 08:06 PM Post #33
Dankness Forever Posts: 6,348 Group: Tha Dankness Member #9,197 Joined: March 16, 2013 Gender Not Specified Country None Favourite Anime Hajime no Ippo What Browser do you use? Chrome Favourite Manga One Piece	Men and women have differences on all three of the health levels, so they should be treated differently. I don't know if that's what's being debated though. Admittedly I don't know how feminism even works. Edited by Dankness Lava, Apr 11 2016, 08:07 PM.



~~Doggo Champion 2k17~~	Apr 11 2016, 08:07 PM Post #34
Posts: 7,931 Group: GTFO Member #6,380 Joined: June 20, 2011 Country United States Favourite Anime here comes What Browser do you use? o shit waddup! Favourite Manga dat boi	Eternal Agony Apr 11 2016, 08:06 PM Men and women have differences on all three of the health levels, so they should be treated differently. I don't know if that's what's being debated though. All three of the health levels? You're going to have to explain that because I really don't know what you mean.



Dankness Lava	Apr 11 2016, 08:18 PM Post #35
Dankness Forever Posts: 6,348 Group: Tha Dankness Member #9,197 Joined: March 16, 2013 Gender Not Specified Country None Favourite Anime Hajime no Ippo What Browser do you use? Chrome Favourite Manga One Piece	Mental, physical, and emotional (I think, can't remember perfectly.) The three levels of health.



Gearfried	Apr 11 2016, 08:25 PM Post #36
Posts: 283 Group: Member Member #12,609 Joined: August 31, 2015 Gender Male	Copy_Ninja Apr 11 2016, 07:38 PM Toxic masculinity which discourages men from expressing emotion, which contributes to male mental health issues and suicide. Both of these things also help with domestic violence. If there's not a classification of men as the dominant sex or an expectation of masculinity, then society will be more willing to accept that men can also be victims. Yeah i agree. i am glad i wasn't raised into an obnoxious, 100% masculine guy.
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Darker	Apr 11 2016, 08:36 PM Post #37
The Lord of the Dark Posts: 15,357 Group: Member Member #11,968 Joined: January 7, 2015 Gender Male Country Spain	Richard Kuklinski Apr 8 2016, 10:50 PM Stereotypes exist for a reason, because they're true. You cannot be serious.
	Piccolo: Just how many people have you sacrificed?! Cell: Sacrifice? Hmph, rubbish! On the contrary, it is an honor to become a fraction of my power.


Dankness Lava	Apr 11 2016, 08:42 PM Post #38
Dankness Forever Posts: 6,348 Group: Tha Dankness Member #9,197 Joined: March 16, 2013 Gender Not Specified Country None Favourite Anime Hajime no Ippo What Browser do you use? Chrome Favourite Manga One Piece	Darker Apr 11 2016, 08:36 PM Richard Kuklinski Apr 8 2016, 10:50 PM Stereotypes exist for a reason, because they're true. You cannot be serious. Isn't he at least partially correct?



Mihawk	Apr 11 2016, 08:52 PM Post #39
Posts: 4,804 Group: Prodigy Member #4,783 Joined: March 2, 2010 Gender Not Specified	Originally the definition of feminism was to promote the equality of women to men (not both ways). Definitions change, and are usually defined by the majority. The majority of feminists are in the camps of Sarkeesan and Hillary Clinton who both promote ridiculous things, but I do get that there's a minority of feminists that actually want equality both ways (this would be a revised definition). Saying that if you're not a feminist you're sexist is equivalent to saying that if you're not a Republican you don't believe in representative democracy (because of the original intention of republic in republican). The majority of people that hold themselves to the label are going to determine what the label means regardless of people who claim to who have a better definition.



Mihawk	Apr 11 2016, 08:58 PM Post #40
Posts: 4,804 Group: Prodigy Member #4,783 Joined: March 2, 2010 Gender Not Specified	Eternal Agony Apr 11 2016, 08:42 PM Darker Apr 11 2016, 08:36 PM Richard Kuklinski Apr 8 2016, 10:50 PM Stereotypes exist for a reason, because they're true. You cannot be serious. Isn't he at least partially correct? It's kind of a dumb statement. Stereotypes are negative generalizations that don't represent every person in the group. Saying "stereotypes exist" doesn't really mean anything. The only way that statement is valid is if you say that the textbook definition of stereotypes are actually stereotypes which doesn't really mean much. He probably meant "stereotypes are true" which I'm assuming he was smart enough to realize was self negating by the definition of what stereotype means.



Darker	Apr 11 2016, 09:08 PM Post #41
The Lord of the Dark Posts: 15,357 Group: Member Member #11,968 Joined: January 7, 2015 Gender Male Country Spain	That's what I ment. Stereotypes don't exist.
	Piccolo: Just how many people have you sacrificed?! Cell: Sacrifice? Hmph, rubbish! On the contrary, it is an honor to become a fraction of my power.


~~Doggo Champion 2k17~~	Apr 12 2016, 12:04 AM Post #42
Posts: 7,931 Group: GTFO Member #6,380 Joined: June 20, 2011 Country United States Favourite Anime here comes What Browser do you use? o shit waddup! Favourite Manga dat boi	Eternal Agony Apr 11 2016, 08:18 PM Mental, physical, and emotional (I think, can't remember perfectly.) The three levels of health. Physical, yes. The other two are due to socialization, not biology.



DanielSan	Apr 12 2016, 03:11 AM Post #43
Posts: 1,536 Group: Donator Member #5,730 Joined: February 14, 2011	Some of the people in this thread have been elementary views of feminism. Most Gearbox or whoever that was. Feminism is simply just fighting for equal rights of both genders. Yes they do fight for men as well. Most feminist really aren't that extreme at all. There is a curve on just about any kind of classification whether it is political ideology, religion, or anything else. Intersectional Feminism is all about depersonalizing the self and becoming one with all the people in the world. It is seeing people from multiple view points. See all the differences in the world and knowing that while they are there, we know that we are all human.



~~Helvius Pertinax Augustus~~	Apr 12 2016, 06:44 AM Post #44
What will you do when you get old? Posts: 1,096 Group: Suspended Member #12,915 Joined: February 8, 2016 Gender Not Specified Country United States Favourite Anime Don't actually watch anime What Browser do you use? Internet Explorer Favourite Manga Don't read manga	Edgar Allan Bro Apr 11 2016, 08:58 PM Eternal Agony Apr 11 2016, 08:42 PM Darker Apr 11 2016, 08:36 PM Richard Kuklinski Apr 8 2016, 10:50 PM Stereotypes exist for a reason, because they're true. You cannot be serious. Isn't he at least partially correct? It's kind of a dumb statement. Stereotypes are negative generalizations that don't represent every person in the group. Saying "stereotypes exist" doesn't really mean anything. The only way that statement is valid is if you say that the textbook definition of stereotypes are actually stereotypes which doesn't really mean much. He probably meant "stereotypes are true" which I'm assuming he was smart enough to realize was self negating by the definition of what stereotype means. I make my own definitions. Merriam-Webster is my aunt.



Zoom	Apr 12 2016, 07:20 AM Post #45
Posts: 3,426 Group: Member Member #12,146 Joined: March 16, 2015 Gender Male	What is the definition of feminism in today's age? I also thought (in general terms) it's fighting for equal rights, but my girlfriends friend called me a feminist supporter and said i cannot be a feminist because i'm not doing anything to help the cause and i'm not suffering the equality. I said yes i am, i write to my local parliament member MP, i vote for ever has value in equality and has plans to treat people equal. This is where i got labelled as a supporter.



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