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Sebastian Shaw vs Accelerator
Topic Started: Mar 31 2016, 12:57 PM (399 Views)
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Greetings. I will be your waifu this season.

Not sure why I've never thought of this one...


I'm reasonably confident Accelerator would win 'cause dang his power is OP as f*** but surely Shaw has the potential?

Comic book Shaw of course. Though give him the energy blasts First Class' Shaw was capable of because why not.

Looking it up I'm seeing he can even withstand cuts from Adamantium and I'm pretty sure he gets way more physically powerful than Accelerator.


Could he do it? Or would this fight just go on and on?
Edited by Steve, Mar 31 2016, 01:01 PM.
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"I am the bone of my sword."

I'll need some info on Shaw before I can really say anything.

As far as Accelerator goes, its the same thing. Unless Shaw has an ability that doesn't involve vectors (like an attack such as magic that can effect a person instantly without moving from one place or the other) or an attack whose composition is made up of irregular vectors or materials not found in the universe, then Accelerator can reflect it. And as for the second one there, this is what happened when Accelerator fought Kakine Teitoku.

Kakine's ability, Dark Matter, can create matter that doesn't exist in the world and thus had properties whose vectors were different. Yet by the end of their fight, Accelerator managed to actually reflect Kakine's own Dark Matter back at him, taking control of a substance that he originally couldn't before.

Other than that, the only other way to get through Accelerator's defenses is through specific attacks by pulling back your punch just at the right time so that Accelerator essentially gets hit by his own reflection. It's something that takes expert skills and you'd have to know about it in the first place. Kihara Amata was the one who literally taught everything Accelerator knows and thus knows basically everything about his powers and how to counteract them.

Accelerator as an individual is physically weak (though he does get a bit more physically adept in later Light Novels) but because he has so a near perfect defense that acts as great as an offense, it takes a lot more than just having a really strong attack defeat him. It takes something with special properties of some sort. It's stated many times that Accelerator could survive having a nuclear explosion dropped on him.

And that's the same thing when it comes to another person's defense. Accelerator's vector manipulation allows him to essentially bypass defenses and what not. He can literally touch someone and if they could survive a supernova from an exploding star, would still get their bodies blown apart because Accelerator could control the bio electricity in a person's body and reverse it.

In another way, the moment something of lethal intent touches Accelerator whether on direct instinct and/or Accelerator's own point, that object is reflected away at a higher rate than when it hit. Anything with vectors that naturally exist be they energy, heat, electricity, etc. can simply not get through that wall of reflection as I mentioned, eve things that could like Dark Matter, Accelerator soon found himself controlling. And thus by virtue anything he touches if it has something with a vector movement to it like air, blood, etc...he can reverse it.

He's the kind of character where it truly does take something special to defeat him. The kind of person who could take out some of the strongest characters in series but lose to weaker ones just due to the way their powers work.
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Greetings. I will be your waifu this season.

you don't know too much about Shaw myself < hoping someone that does would weight in :p


Basically his mutation allows him to absorb physical attacks & energy projections & convert the energy from them in to raw power, avoiding all damage.
Like this but the comic version > much tougher you think:


He's normally as strong as a highly trained but he can use absorbed energy to increase his speed & strength to super levels, not sure where sort of limits are on that but he's sure to get stronger than Accelerator if we're talking straight physicality.

His power > somewhere similar hence the match up, you'm not sure Accelerator would be able to get through it with his own >< vice versa.

However, Shaw could potentially get fast enough to speed blitz him >< catch him off guard maybe?


On Wikipedia it says his son makes him have a heart attack by phasing his hand in to his chest, his son can control his density.
So that's possibly a way to get around Shaw's power, not entirely sure on the specifics of that though might have been because his guard < down >< something. Accelerator might be able to do something there you guess, however Shaw's speed > his attribute most increased by absorbing energy so that wouldn't be easy.
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"I am the bone of my sword."

Speed blitzing won't work. Accelerator's reflection is constantly on and instinctual. As long as an attack has to move some measure of distance between Point A to Point B, it can be reflected (as long as the attack is composed of vectors of this world of course.) This is why someone like Accelerator could essentially take on the near entirety of the DBZverse without getting a scratch on him but lose to someone like Babidi who whose magic seemingly has an instantaneous effect on the body and doesn't have a vector to control.

Unless your body has some merit to counter the reflection, you simply do not want to touch Accelerator physically. Some people like Kamijou Touma have Imagine Breaker which literally negates special powers. Depending on which Accelerator this is, there's the chance to just outlast him. Accelerator later on only gets to use around 15 minutes (and a bit later 30 minutes) of his power on his choker. I'm assuming this is a fully healthy, non-brain damaged Accelerator though.

With that said though, Accelerator's overall abilities may not be able to get to Sebastian. Most of his physical attacks assuming would be absorbed by him. Since I don't know the exact strength level of Shaw, I can't say much.

Accelerator in the Anime has literally chucked entire skyscrapers into other buildings and in the Light Novel, these scene with the building is where he instead builds up enough kinetic energy to slow the planet's rotation down 5 minutes.

Of course things really go out of hand if we include Black Wings Accelerator who essentially all of his usual powers and then he has his black wings which are literally stated to defy the laws of physics. He's blasted people so hard he's turned them into shooting star plasma. At one point, he literally makes a slight move of his hand and the person he was fighting was utterly torn apart by an unseen force right before he began beating him so badly the only thing left was a few brain lobes and some organs.
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Darth Vader easily wins in my opinion. He is a strong force user and can use the force very well. He wins.
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