Tien (23rd Budokai) vs Popo

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Tien (23rd Budokai) vs Popo
Tweet Topic Started: Mar 15 2016, 04:00 PM (1,033 Views)
+ Clearin	Mar 15 2016, 04:00 PM Post #1
Posts: 12,580 Group: Elite Member Member #6,372 Joined: June 18, 2011 Gender Not Specified Country United Kingdom	Just to clarify, this is the same Popo that fought/trained Goku, just since you could argue he got stronger with everyone else during the Saiyan saga training. If Popo wins, what about initial Saiyan saga Tien? Edited by Clearin, Mar 15 2016, 04:02 PM.



+ Emmeth	Mar 15 2016, 04:44 PM Post #2
I ♥ Yoeri Posts: 20,075 Group: Legend Member #8,985 Joined: February 7, 2013 Country Japan	I don't think Tenshinhan can beat this Popo. Once he's received initial training from Kami and Popo, he can probably beat them both, but until then Popo is the winner.
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DBZAOTA482	Mar 15 2016, 05:56 PM Post #3
Posts: 1,798 Group: Member Member #5,093 Joined: August 2, 2010 Gender Male Country United States Favourite Anime Dragon Ball/Z, One Piece, Akira, School Rumble, Detective Conan. What Browser do you use? Google Chrome, Internet Explorer.	Tien gets spanked in both scenarios.



+ Majin Vegeta	Mar 15 2016, 07:59 PM Post #4
The resident GT fan! Posts: 8,522 Group: Elite Member Member #9,206 Joined: March 17, 2013 Gender Male Country Greece Favourite Anime DragonBall/Z/GT, Code Geass,Attack on Titan, Death Note, Naruto What Browser do you use? Safari Favourite Manga DragonBall/Z, Naruto, Death Note, Yugioh!	Been a while since I posted. Tien would lose, I think he's stronger than Goku post divine water but that's about it, Mr Popo can easily crush that Goku. Now if this is Initial Saiyan Arc Tien perhaps he stands a change, although until he rechieves training from Kami I don't believe he surpassed Popo.
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+ Son-Goku	Mar 16 2016, 01:21 AM Post #5
孫悟空 Posts: 13,368 Group: Elite Member Member #12,886 Joined: January 24, 2016 Gender Male Country United States Favourite Anime DB/DBZ/DBS, Code Geass, Gintama, YYH, Death Note, and SAO. What Browser do you use? Google Chrome Favourite Manga Dragon Ball, Fairy Tail, and Naruto.	Mr. Popo wins imo against both 23rd Tien and BoZ Tien.
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Billa	Mar 16 2016, 02:12 AM Post #6
Thala na Gethu! Posts: 4,218 Group: Member Member #7,273 Joined: February 3, 2012 Favourite Anime Nothin What Browser do you use? Nothin Favourite Manga Nothin	23rd TB Tien has no chance Though BoZ or Saiyan Saga Tien with his Shin Ki Ko Ho might...just might beat Popo Popo's knowledge about chi & its suppression. Also superior martial arts knowledge (lightning fast movements, not using too much energy/chi with unnecesarry moves) would place Popo several notches beyond Tien comfortably



+ Son-Goku	Mar 16 2016, 02:50 AM Post #7
孫悟空 Posts: 13,368 Group: Elite Member Member #12,886 Joined: January 24, 2016 Gender Male Country United States Favourite Anime DB/DBZ/DBS, Code Geass, Gintama, YYH, Death Note, and SAO. What Browser do you use? Google Chrome Favourite Manga Dragon Ball, Fairy Tail, and Naruto.	Billa Mar 16 2016, 02:12 AM 23rd TB Tien has no chance Though BoZ or Saiyan Saga Tien with his Shin Ki Ko Ho might...just might beat Popo Popo's knowledge about chi & its suppression. Also superior martial arts knowledge (lightning fast movements, not using too much energy/chi with unnecesarry moves) would place Popo several notches beyond Tien comfortably Agreed that with the Tri-Beam he may stand a chance.
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Thiln	Mar 16 2016, 03:12 AM Post #8
Posts: 2,481 Group: Member Member #12,166 Joined: March 23, 2015 Gender Male Favourite Anime Dragon Ball, Attack on Titan What Browser do you use? Google Chrome Favourite Manga Hokuto no Ken, Berserk, Dragon Ball, Rurouni Kenshin, Attack on Titan, Kuroshitsuji	Popo's fight with Goku has scarely little content that can be examined as proof of his capabilities. More importantly, his approach to defence was more hands on while Tien concentrated his method strictly on outmanoeuvring through superior speed after declaring that he would be going all out. The common denominator between the two is Goku. In both fights his speed wasn't enough to keep up, but his sense of perception and sight was able to follow the opponent even as they were hastily moving about with the hit-and-run tactics. My interpretation of what's presented is that Goku was in similarly inferior positions against both Tien and Popo. All of this leads me to believe that Tien isn't that off from Popo. Both of them are above King Piccolo arc Goku. Granted, it does appear like Goku recoiled more from Popo's attacks, but you could attribute his reactions back then compared against Tien's attacks as a before & after scenario where Goku's mentality and combat style had matured as he got older. Furthermore, the afflicted reactions were mostly seen in the earlier portions of the fight when Goku was still underestimating Popo. The match itself is difficult to predict. Both characters have their advantages and disadvantages. On one hand, Popo is well versed in atmospheric perception of the motions of the people around him. His mind is serene and as a result it allows him to fight much more efficiently. But with Tien, he's shown superior ability in martial arts and his various assortment of techniques makes him more unpredictable and diverse in terms of approach that he can take. Serene mind or not, Popo is going to have a difficult time with Shiyoken increasing the number of limbs he'll have to account for while fighting. One notable strike I can see people arguing that diminishes Tien's chances here are Kami's comment about the humans, including Tien, having learned everything they could from both him and Mr Popo. If you examine the quote more closely, though, you'll notice how he ostensibly references only himself as being surpassed. Chapter: 211 (DBZ 17), P13.1 Context: after training under God God: “You have all surpassed me now. There is nothing more I or Mr. Popo can teach you. Return to the lower world and refine your skills until the final confrontation.” Why would Kami choose to single himself out as being the one who was surpassed while in the immediate sentence following it describing how both he and Mr Popo have nothing more to teach the humans? Well personally, I think it's arguable that they, or at least Tien, may have already surpassed Popo prior to the training. The gap between Popo and Kami was already noted to be considerably large. If Tien was close to Popo during the 23rd tournament then it's quite likely that he overtook him after training for five years.



Norc Groose	Mar 16 2016, 04:18 AM Post #9
Posts: 208 Group: Member Member #11,840 Joined: November 18, 2014 Gender Male Country United States Favourite Anime Dragon Ball Z/Yu Yu Hakusho Favourite Manga Beserk	Nah, 23rd Ten loses, at least from what I remember. Popo was too much for a post-Divine Water Goku to handle, so much so that Goku was straight up outclassed and left with Popo wondering how could he have beaten Piccolo Daimao at the level he is at. Kami (who I wouldn't place that much above Popo) finger flicked Goku. Ten battled Goku in the 23rd. Weighted Goku=Post-Divine Water Goku in terms of speed. That same Goku was still able to fight Ten until Ten increased his own speed. I agree with Thiln and that this probably isn't a straight up stomp. However, I think I'd go with Popo on this one. As far as BoZ goes, we have no indication of who could be stronger. But, I'd make a case for Saiyan Saga Ten > Popo.



Darker	Mar 16 2016, 07:31 AM Post #10
The Lord of the Dark Posts: 15,361 Group: Member Member #11,968 Joined: January 7, 2015 Gender Male Country Spain	DBZAOTA482 Mar 15 2016, 05:56 PM Tien gets spanked in both scenarios. This.
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ahill1	Mar 17 2016, 01:58 AM Post #11
Posts: 759 Group: Member Member #12,438 Joined: June 29, 2015 Gender Not Specified Country Egypt Favourite Anime HxH What Browser do you use? the best Favourite Manga HxH	Mr. Popo would stomps Tenshinhan IMO. Popo is more on unweighted Goku's 23rd Budokai level against Tenshinhan. Popo is way stronger than post sacred water Goku, he treated him like a toddler and Goku's KHH didn't do crap to Popo. While Tenshinhan is stronger than sacred water Goku, the gap is still limited, since Goku could follow his movements and Goku's speed = Goku's speed from the Piccolo Daimao fight.



Zoom	Mar 18 2016, 12:00 AM Post #12
Posts: 3,426 Group: Member Member #12,146 Joined: March 16, 2015 Gender Male	Pop wins in both scenarios. Kami > Popo > King Piccolo > Ten



ahill1	Mar 19 2016, 05:29 AM Post #13
Posts: 759 Group: Member Member #12,438 Joined: June 29, 2015 Gender Not Specified Country Egypt Favourite Anime HxH What Browser do you use? the best Favourite Manga HxH	SSj4 Gotenks Mar 18 2016, 12:00 AM Pop wins in both scenarios. Kami > Popo > King Piccolo > Ten Why is King Piccolo stronger than Tenshinhan [23rd Budokai]?



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