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| + Pelador | Mar 11 2016, 11:03 PM Post #1 |
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http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-35749078 They will save a billion pounds apparently. |
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| + Steve | Mar 11 2016, 11:08 PM Post #2 |
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...what? I feel like I get plenty money because I'm not an idiot and can actually form a budget but... They want to reduce the amount of money they give to disabled people who are actually seeking employment? That sounds incredibly stupid, how is that meant to motivate you in to actually trying when you're already physically and/or mentally held back...? Maybe they should stop giving so much money to job seekers that just spend it all on alcohol or drugs, perhaps they would actually get motivated to get a job to fund their bad habits then. Whereas disabled people can struggle to get jobs regardless because they're, y'know, disabled and need the support. Edited by Steve, Mar 11 2016, 11:08 PM.
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| Buuberries | Mar 12 2016, 12:33 AM Post #3 |
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"It will affect people who are deemed unable to work at the moment but capable of making some effort to find employment, including attending work-focused interviews and taking part in training." Sounds fair to me, altho I still think places like the jobcentre should do more for ppl in terms of support. Sure they help people but they don't support them. "Maybe they should stop giving so much money to job seekers that just spend it all on alcohol or drugs" And videogames and other luxuries. |
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| + Steve | Mar 12 2016, 12:43 AM Post #4 |
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Playing video games leaves you unable to work? I had no idea. Is that why I can't get a job!? The problem is what they define as someone who is "deemed unable to work at the moment but capable of making some effort to find employment" They don't know s*** about disability, I get told all the time that I could "just go over to somewhere and ask about a job" Because that's extremely easy to do when you have severe anxiety and, y'know, find it hard to talk to anyone you don't know. Much less actually function in a working environment. They don't make much effort to support you as said, they basically just say "You're in your 20's, you can walk, that means you can get a job" like there are no other factors to consider. I am in my 20's and can walk but what if I'm a delusional psychopath 
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Mar 12 2016, 01:47 AM Post #5 |
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Sounds like it'll be more towards obese people collecting disability checks for being fat and not actually people with legitimate disabilities like missing limbs, illnesses, and disease. |
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| + Pelador | Mar 12 2016, 02:07 AM Post #6 |
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Doesn't say anything of the sort. It's literally anyone with a disability who collects ESA. |
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| + Steve | Mar 12 2016, 03:13 AM Post #7 |
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It's an ironically lazy way to try deal with lazy people who definitely are capable but can't be bothered. Guessing they assume people who are on benefits are mostly lazy but you get ESA when you are making an effort to get work in some way...that's the whole point. Could they not just investigate people before awarding them it? As well as review what kind of progress they make instead of just giving them money and expecting things to happen. Well, I suppose that would cost money wouldn't it. |
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| + Sandy Shore | Mar 12 2016, 06:50 AM Post #8 |
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And yet they could save much more than that if they just stopped throwing money at the EU like it was sand. |
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| * Sousen Ichimonji | Mar 12 2016, 10:20 AM Post #9 |
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Hey Lazuli I know it's a passionate issue for you but if you could stop making every topic about the EU in some way that would be great. "It will affect people who are deemed unable to work at the moment but capable of making some effort to find employment, including attending work-focused interviews and taking part in training." I'm pretty much opposed to this. When I left school with really poor qualifications I found getting a job quite hard in the modern economy in my my home town, and then even in the nearest City. This might be fair in like London where there is a job surplus in retail etc but not everywhere does actually have that, and if it was hard for me it must be a lot harder for people with any level of disability. 'Able to look for work' is making assumptions that that will be an easy and short process which justifies less financial aid in that period, but there is no guarantee it will be. MMTB: Make Money Taxing Bankers |
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| + Sandy Shore | Mar 12 2016, 11:22 AM Post #10 |
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Sousen Ichimonji The government trying to save money aside, I don't think it's a bad idea. People should have enough money to survive and feed themselves, not to live comfortably - the same goes for dole money. They shouldn't be able to afford games, or decent clothes, or nice food, or drugs and cigarettes; it should be a sum large enough that they can eat heathily, but small enough that it incentivises them to action. Edit:- though, they should be dropping dole money first, not ESA. Edited by Sandy Shore, Mar 12 2016, 11:33 AM.
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| + Steve | Mar 13 2016, 12:31 AM Post #11 |
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You only get ESA when you're actively trying to seek some employment or support with it, whereas on Job Seekers Allowances you don't actually have to, my friend pissed about with it for years. All you have to do is go down once a week, search for jobs and occasionally apply for some on the website...but not actually follow through with those applications. My friend done that for like 3 years and then he decided he actually wanted a job and got one within a couple of weeks, largely because he couldn't be bothered going to the Job Centre. I agree with what you say there though it is quite easy to live off the dole there's no real incentive to do anything else unless you just want a bit more money. I'd agree with this lowering of ESA if they put the savings in to support for various people but it's probably more likely to go toward polishing our PM's knob. Like my girlfriends mother, raging alcoholic. Most of the time she buys alcohol with her dole money, at the cost of living with no electricity or food and due to being drunk most of the time she often misses Job Centre appointments and gets sanctioned. To which she responds with getting depressed and drinking more cheap alcohol. (I really don't get how she's still alive to be quite honest) The government doesn't try to rehabilitate people like this at all they cut their money when they miss appointments but that's it, if they happen to manage going to appointments they get their money and are otherwise just left to fester and die. Alternatively the government could invest some money in to helping these people so they can once again(or for the first time) become productive members of society but I suppose that would make too much sense I wonder what kind of burden they put on the healthcare system? Surely a lot of smackheads and alcoholics end up in hospital and thus cost a lot of money, perhaps enough that helping them get out of their bad habits would be worth it. |
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| TrunksinSwimmingTrunks | Mar 13 2016, 12:53 AM Post #12 |
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Same thing can apply to most jobseekers who are unable to get work due to not having enough experience, connections, qualifications or job application skills and eventually motivation/hope to get one of the jobs out there, especially with there being so many more working age people than jobs (and a large chunk of those jobs in the government's statistics not being true jobs that can actually support even a single adult - never mind a family - such as apprenticeships, commission-based jobs, part time jobs with not many hours and zero hour jobs). @Lazuli you can't incentivise someone into jobs that don't exist and having no life aside from eating and paying rent is not healthy for motivation or mental state (what you gonna do for the hours left over when you're done applying for jobs for the day?). And someone I think being able to afford some non-exhausting transport, decent clothes (I don't knlw what your idea of "decent" is. You want people to walk around in shirts with holes in them or that are too small? Unless by "decent clothes" you meant something significantly better than "basic clothes") and having some regular and easily accessible internet access are quite vital when it comes to getting employment or self-employment, at least in the UK. Also only 10% of Secondly I'm not sure where all the unemployed people getting big government direct deposits and living the high life are, unless you mean people who have luxuries due to working previously or having parents or other relatives who are working and financially supporting them. and dat anecdotal evidence in here. classic dbzf. |
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| + Sandy Shore | Mar 13 2016, 05:26 AM Post #13 |
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They'll have the internet. Do you not think most unemployed still have access to the internet and a computer? They'll still have a TV, and probably their consoles, as well. People on benefits can get the bulk of their rent and bills paid for, too, if they're fortunate enough to be housed, but don't live with their parents or a working partner. We're not talking about homeless people, or people in hostels, but people on ESA - and, by extension, job seekers. People in more dire situations need more help, yes. As for there being a shortage of jobs, I don't disagree. However, the problem is that there are people not even trying, and a number of such people would find work if they could be motivated to search. Perhaps if they've been unemployed for a some six-months then they could be given a bonus to enjoy life a bit—a "pick me up", if you will—but in the mean-time their lives should be comfortable enough that they don't suffer, but uncomfortable enough that they're more likely to try for more. Non-exhausting transport should be dependent on their condition. If they've got two perfectly good legs, why should their transport be funded? Not only do they give you enough money to get the bus, but they also refund you if you keep the bus tickets - at least, they did not so long ago. When I was signing-on, I was walking an hour-and-a-half to the job centre, and then obviously that same distance back. Not a great distance, but why shouldn't I have had to? I had nowhere else to go but there every other week, since you can apply for jobs online, or by phone. I think people forget that not having to walk everywhere is a luxury, paid for with money - not an inherent right or necessity. Yes, I mean basic clothes. Maybe Tesco or Primark - not Stone Island, Levis, or Adidas. A month saving some of your money and you can easily afford an expensive pair of trainers. Sorry, did I cut you off? |
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| Sam | Mar 13 2016, 03:15 PM Post #14 |
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Good point. I am disabled and the States are so much worse on this issue though that I can't comment. I am not cleared to drive, work, busted arms, damaged visual cortex, memory issues, need modified glasses lenses, some sort of degenerating brain thing, I hallucinate static... yet, despite the fact that I am classified as homeless in the United States and live in what is considered extremely impoverished conditions, I only just this month received money for food stamps. Well, okay, I got food stamps (basically a food card given to you by the state government IIRC) before this month... a whopping $16 a month between my mom and I. That's factoring in her food stamps too. They finally upped it to $200, but, damn. That's just bare necessities. I'm not even talking about social security. I've been fighting for and been rejected for that for a few years now. |
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