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Mar 11 2016, 08:09 PM Post #1 |
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So what are everyones views on suicide? I know some cultures think it's selfish, others think it's noble. What are your individual views? My personal view is that if someone wants to do it without harming anyone but themselves, let them do it. It's pretty selfish to think you can decide their life for them. |
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| + Pelador | Mar 11 2016, 08:15 PM Post #2 |
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It's not black and white. People who wish to kill themselves are in need of help. It's rather cold hearted to just allow people to end their own lives. My sister in law has bipolar and she's tried to kill herself many times. Once she got the right medication then she was relatively fine. Although she still can't be left on her own for too long. My point is that they often aren't thinking with any kind of clarity and should be helped and discouraged from attempting suicide. |
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| * Mitas | Mar 11 2016, 08:30 PM Post #3 |
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I agree with Pelador. Suicide and suicidal thoughts, in most cases, are a result of mental health disorders. I don't believe that anybody 'wants' to commit suicide, it goes against our fundamental desire to survive. Mental health disorders severely diminish your quality of life, make you question why you bother staying alive. Suicide is a last resort, the course of action people take when they can't see a way out. If you witness somebody losing that battle and reaching the point of suicide, especially if it's somebody you are close to, how can you just say "f*** it, they can do what they want"? I believe that in that situation people should do everything they can to help that person, to take up that battle with them when they can't necessarily do it themselves. However, if somebody does commit suicide, I do not think they should be vilified for doing so. Empathy and understanding must be shown towards somebody who ended up in a really dark place and couldn't find their way out. I came close to committing suicide myself. I was on top of a car park looking over the edge. I didn't want to commit suicide, but every day something inside me tried to convince me that I did, that there was no point in carrying on, and one day I didn't have it in me to fight back. A car park attendant found me and came over to help, talked me down. If he had just thought 'f*** it, he can do it if he wants' then I might not be here right now. So no, I don't think it's selfish to stop someone from committing suicide. I think it's the complete opposite. |
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| + Emmeth | Mar 11 2016, 08:42 PM Post #4 |
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Because of things pointed out by Pelador and Mitas, suicide is neiter selfish nor noble. Mental issues are a very serious matter, because it can drive people to do crazy things, like contemplate and sometimes proceed to commit suicide. Depression is another issue, not necessarily connected with mental issues, that can lead to suicide in which case it's much the same; Neither selfish nor noble. In both cases we need to help out those who suffer and make them feel better, either via medication or therapy. It's important to talk to eachother. Cultures have it completely wrong when they categorize suicide within a certain word, such as the ones mentioned. Some put shame on it and some put honor on it, but it's both hurtful and not helpful. |
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| * Mitas | Mar 11 2016, 08:47 PM Post #5 |
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Depression is a mental issue, or at least I don't think you can be suicidal as a result of depression without it falling under the category of a mental health diagnosis. |
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| + Emmeth | Mar 11 2016, 08:48 PM Post #6 |
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Perhaps, although I think it's not always associated with mental issues. You may be right when it comes to suicidal thoughts though. |
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Mar 11 2016, 09:04 PM Post #7 |
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So people who are suffering from terminal illnesses or mortal wounds, rather than choosing to die in pain and suffering, they choose to end it quickly and relatively painlessly have mental issues? I'd imagine not. There's also self sacrifice which is essentially suicide for another person or groups well being. A very well known case is of Robert Budd. Dwyer, a U.S Politician accused of corruption. While there was neither evidence towards his guilt or innocence, they still intended to move forward stripping his family of everything, so rather than his wife and son being left with nothing, he killed himself in office so his family would continue to receive a state pension. I do agree suicide just for suicide is probably the result of a mental issue, but it is ultimately the persons choice, nobody can make that choice for them, no matter how much they wish they could. |
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| Graffiti | Mar 11 2016, 09:14 PM Post #8 |
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It is understandable what you guys are trying to come at, but I would consider "suicide" as selfish. It is not only selfish, but also causes a person to lose respect for anybody who would commits such an act. The reason that I consider a person who has committed as "selfish" is due to the fact that they not only caused harm to themselves but to those who deeply cared for them, e.g. their parents (unless they come from screwed up families). |
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| + Pelador | Mar 11 2016, 09:21 PM Post #9 |
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What you are both failing to take into consideration is that people who attempt suicide are not in full control of their own faculties. It's unfair to label them as selfish when they aren't capable of rational thought. You say it's their own choice but that's actually debatable. Especially when illness is what's dictating their actions. |
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| * Mitas | Mar 11 2016, 09:29 PM Post #10 |
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But they are not acting in their right mind, hence the mental health disorder. If they were able to reason with themselves that their suicide severely affects the lives of others, and obviously themselves, then they wouldn't be suicidal in the first place. Mental health disorders affect the brain, a pretty key part in making logical and emotional decisions, so to expect someone suffering from a mental health disorder to make decisions that fit into general logic is pointless. Also, losing respect is a subjective thing. You can't just make a blanket statement and say 'suicide makes people lose respect for the person'. That would be personal to each person. Some people might lose respect for you for not having an understanding for those who have attempted or committed suicide. Edit:
This to me is a separate issue. I do believe that euthanasia should be an option open to people with terminal illnesses.
Did he consult the wife and son? Maybe they would have been happy to live a life with their husband/father in it over a life without him, regardless of financial situation. Edited by Mitas, Mar 11 2016, 09:40 PM.
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Mar 11 2016, 09:38 PM Post #11 |
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So what about terminal diseases like pancreatic cancer and ebola? Would you consider them to have mental illness if they don't want to continue suffering? |
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Mar 11 2016, 09:43 PM Post #12 |
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That isn't suicide. There's a term for that. It's called euthanasia. When a person commits suicide, they are transferring their own pain to the people who love and care for them. Rather than suffering themselves, they pass that suffering on to others. While that sounds incredibly selfish from the outside looking in, suicide is a manifestation of mental illness and is not a rational decision; therefore, it isn't a selfish act. The consequences of that act may seem selfish, but the suicide victim probably wasn't thinking "my family is going to hurt, but oh well." They've been pushed past rational thinking. Which is why we need to do everything we can to help people who are feeling that way. |
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| + Pelador | Mar 11 2016, 09:44 PM Post #13 |
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On the subject of assisted suicide for the terminally ill then I consider that acceptable so long as the patient is fully aware of what they are asking. |
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| Tinny | Mar 11 2016, 09:45 PM Post #14 |
 
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In some limited circumstances Suicide can be noble. But I sure as hell can't think of any plausible situations where that's a good option, in the modern day at least. Selfish? To a degree, but if someone is contemplating it, they're likely in a very dark place and need help more than anything. Overall it's a terrible thing, I can understand it if maybe you're terminally ill, but at the same time, who knows if you're really doomed or if you can actually get it treated tomorrow or God/Spirits/Flying Spaghetti Monster allow, you get better on your own. I still think you should try to hold on, but I can't really speak for the people that are terminally ill. |
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| Sam | Mar 13 2016, 03:38 PM Post #15 |
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Pel's right, it's not black and white. But I think in many cases, we were brought into this world without consent, so, I don't see why we can't at least consent to leave it. I know that sounds f***ed up and even though I think that way it is devastating to the people around you. So I guess it's up to the individual, and how they value their life vs. how other people value their life, among other things. I literally flipped a coin on my life twice in 2015 because of my physical, mental and financial situations. Feels like a never ending hell. But I came up tails both times, so, I'm still here. I totally understand what you're getting at Mitas. What IS selfish is not talking someone down or trying to reason with them. I don't think we should openly accept people offing themselves, but, if it does happen, the fact that they died of suicide shouldn't overshadow the entire rest of their life and cast it in that way. I have met multiple people who ended up killing themselves. My friends' oldest brother hung himself in high school. Prom king. Football teams quarterback. Nobody saw it coming. Now everybody only remembers his suicide. Same with my cousin, he jumped in front of a train going full speed and there was not much left of him than pulp afterwards. Horrifying and traumatic, but, that one terrible thing he did to himself because he was detoxing from drugs and was afraid to get help has defined what his entire legacy is. Nobody brings him up because that's all anyone remembers. Edited by Sam, Mar 13 2016, 03:48 PM.
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