SSJ4 Gohan (Super) vs SSGSS Goku/Vegeta (Super)

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SSJ4 Gohan (Super) vs SSGSS Goku/Vegeta (Super)
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Goddess Ultimecia	Mar 11 2016, 12:34 PM Post #1
Posts: 10,145 Group: RP Moderator Member #8,473 Joined: October 26, 2012 Gender Male Country None	VS Since Super seems to want to provide some dignity atleast for Gohan, I wonder if a dormant power unlocked Gohan would be capable of defeating Goku or Vegeta or even both. I figure with Vegeta mentioning that Gohan could get stronger than them both that it's a possibility to get a cool looking fight. Edited by Goddess Ultimecia, Mar 11 2016, 12:48 PM.
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Tinny	Mar 11 2016, 01:19 PM Post #2
Posts: 6,061 Group: Super Moderator Member #12,355 Joined: May 24, 2015 Gender Not Specified Favourite Anime Silver Spoon, Fate/Zero, Legend of Galactic Heroes, Space Patrol Luluco, Psycho-pass, Miss Kobayashi What Browser do you use? Chrome, Edge Favourite Manga Wizard's Soul ~Holy War of Love~	Vegeta is wrong, what will really happen is that Gohan becomes weaker and transforms as his potential is reached. His potential being two thrones for Vegeta and Goku to sit on. Because it's DBS and there was an arc almost dedicated to screwing Gohan over. If we take him seriously though then Gohan would likely still not be able to go up due him not training up his potential, I can't imagine his potential increasing since Z, so unless Super Buu, Vegetto, and Gohan are all at DBS tier strength, ssj4 Gohan is still gonna get stomped. And let's be honest, he already talked about training to make sure he doesn't get destroyed like he did against the main villain back in BoG. Next Arc he proceeded to nearly kill himself by powering up. No reason U6 should be different if we actually take those two arcs as canon. Edited by Tinny, Mar 11 2016, 01:21 PM.
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Goddess Ultimecia	Mar 11 2016, 01:26 PM Post #3
Posts: 10,145 Group: RP Moderator Member #8,473 Joined: October 26, 2012 Gender Male Country None	I don't think it's far fetched that Gohan's potential could've been resetted and been given a new large ceiling. Vegeta in the Boo arc also had his dormant power released far beyond its limit via Babidi and if we go by Super then Vegeta's dormant power is apparently enough to warrant Beerus needing to use "10%" (fishy on that one since it seems Beerus has lied) in order to safely stomp him. If Vegeta's dormant power can reset like that, then I don't see why the king of potential can't do it either. Regarding the stability however, I recall GT stating that SSJ4 is an incredibly stable form. I think that would probably make up for Gohan's body apparently not being able to handle it.
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Tinny	Mar 11 2016, 01:33 PM Post #4
Posts: 6,061 Group: Super Moderator Member #12,355 Joined: May 24, 2015 Gender Not Specified Favourite Anime Silver Spoon, Fate/Zero, Legend of Galactic Heroes, Space Patrol Luluco, Psycho-pass, Miss Kobayashi What Browser do you use? Chrome, Edge Favourite Manga Wizard's Soul ~Holy War of Love~	Goddess Ultimecia Mar 11 2016, 01:26 PM I don't think it's far fetched that Gohan's potential could've been resetted and been given a new large ceiling. Vegeta in the Boo arc also had his dormant power released far beyond its limit via Babidi and if we go by Super then Vegeta's dormant power is apparently enough to warrant Beerus needing to use "10%" (fishy on that one since it seems Beerus has lied) in order to safely stomp him. If Vegeta's dormant power can reset like that, then I don't see why the king of potential can't do it either. Regarding the stability however, I recall GT stating that SSJ4 is an incredibly stable form. I think that would probably make up for Gohan's body apparently not being able to handle it. Vegeta has more or less become the übermensch at this time. He's able to match Beerus at ten percent, train to ssjgssj strength just by doing the same training that Goku underwent as a child but with heavier weights (meanwhile Goku needed the ssjg ritual to get there), and is all around superior to Goku. He's a special case, if anything he's now the king of potential, Gohan is just... A glorified human now. Probably, but the way dbs has treated Gohan his potential has likely become lower than his previous upgrades in Z.
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Goddess Ultimecia	Mar 11 2016, 01:42 PM Post #5
Posts: 10,145 Group: RP Moderator Member #8,473 Joined: October 26, 2012 Gender Male Country None	Quote: Vegeta has more or less become the übermensch at this time. He's able to match Beerus at ten percent, train to ssjgssj strength just by doing the same training that Goku underwent as a child but with heavier weights (meanwhile Goku needed the ssjg ritual to get there), and is all around superior to Goku. He's a special case, if anything he's now the king of potential, Gohan is just... A glorified human now. While the glorified human thing seems to be the route they're taking, I think Vegeta atleast mentioning that Gohan could get anywhere near them is indicative that his ceiling is at the very least much higher than it was in the Boo arc. Going by Piccolo seemingly making some worthwhile gainage, atleast enough to compete physically with an exhausted Final Form Frost would seemingly be saying that Gohan is around the power of Piccolo at the very least. Quote: Probably, but the way dbs has treated Gohan his potential has likely become lower than his previous upgrades in Z. I imagine that if Super were writing said matchup in this thread, Gohan would go SSJ4, but due to the fact that everyone must job to Goku and Vegeta that Gohan would overwrite the stable nature of SSJ4 and explode. Given the explanation that the power is too much for his body to handle, despite the fact he would've had to go oozaru, condense it down, and handle the transformation. Because of jobber aura.
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~~King Kakarot~~	Mar 11 2016, 04:00 PM Post #6
Posts: 2,437 Group: Suspended Member #10,181 Joined: September 15, 2013 Favourite Anime dbz What Browser do you use? google chrome Favourite Manga db	Yeah Gohan gets stomped but that picture does look awesome



+ Son-Goku	Mar 11 2016, 05:36 PM Post #7
孫悟空 Posts: 13,368 Group: Elite Member Member #12,886 Joined: January 24, 2016 Gender Male Country United States Favourite Anime DB/DBZ/DBS, Code Geass, Gintama, YYH, Death Note, and SAO. What Browser do you use? Google Chrome Favourite Manga Dragon Ball, Fairy Tail, and Naruto.	Goku or Vegeta alone would beat Gohan.
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Frost Demon Mint	Mar 11 2016, 05:38 PM Post #8
I Am Sustained Posts: 582 Group: Member Member #12,198 Joined: March 31, 2015 Gender Male Country United States Favourite Anime Dragon Ball Kai/Cory in the House What Browser do you use? Chrome Favourite Manga Dragon Ball/Attack on Titan	Tin Man Mar 11 2016, 01:19 PM Because it's DBS and there was an arc almost dedicated to screwing Gohan over. Z had that, too. It was called the Cell saga



Goddess Ultimecia	Mar 11 2016, 05:40 PM Post #9
Posts: 10,145 Group: RP Moderator Member #8,473 Joined: October 26, 2012 Gender Male Country None	Frost Demon Mint Mar 11 2016, 05:38 PM Tin Man Mar 11 2016, 01:19 PM Because it's DBS and there was an arc almost dedicated to screwing Gohan over. Z had that, too. It was called the Cell saga Really? Gohan may have been degraded earlier on, but at the end he was pushed to the point that he was their last hope against Cell and successfully beat Cell albeit with some inspiration from his father.
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Tinny	Mar 11 2016, 05:59 PM Post #10
Posts: 6,061 Group: Super Moderator Member #12,355 Joined: May 24, 2015 Gender Not Specified Favourite Anime Silver Spoon, Fate/Zero, Legend of Galactic Heroes, Space Patrol Luluco, Psycho-pass, Miss Kobayashi What Browser do you use? Chrome, Edge Favourite Manga Wizard's Soul ~Holy War of Love~	Indeed, I don't recall Gohan doing anything aside form crying for Vegeta and Goku to save him. And that was with a rage boost. and a powerup that kicked his own butt. Meanwhile in the Cell arc he actually got to do something. Edited by Tinny, Mar 11 2016, 06:00 PM.
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~~King Kakarot~~	Mar 11 2016, 06:03 PM Post #11
Posts: 2,437 Group: Suspended Member #10,181 Joined: September 15, 2013 Favourite Anime dbz What Browser do you use? google chrome Favourite Manga db	Why do you say a power up that kicked his own but? You do realize Freeza put holes on him before?That speaks volumes about Gohan's willpower



Goddess Ultimecia	Mar 11 2016, 06:08 PM Post #12
Posts: 10,145 Group: RP Moderator Member #8,473 Joined: October 26, 2012 Gender Male Country None	King Kakarot Mar 11 2016, 06:03 PM Why do you say a power up that kicked his own but? You do realize Freeza put holes on him before?That speaks volumes about Gohan's willpower Goku had the tar beaten out of him and was literally running on empty on Namek, transformed and was literally as good as new. This was a Goku that was angry. Gohan more or less hulks out by being disappointed with himself and seeing Piccolo died and still can't retain the damn thing. He was relegated to nothing more than an S.o.S. landmark for Goku to come save the day. Edited by Goddess Ultimecia, Mar 11 2016, 06:25 PM.
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Frost Demon Mint	Mar 12 2016, 01:18 AM Post #13
I Am Sustained Posts: 582 Group: Member Member #12,198 Joined: March 31, 2015 Gender Male Country United States Favourite Anime Dragon Ball Kai/Cory in the House What Browser do you use? Chrome Favourite Manga Dragon Ball/Attack on Titan	Goddess Ultimecia Mar 11 2016, 05:40 PM Frost Demon Mint Mar 11 2016, 05:38 PM Tin Man Mar 11 2016, 01:19 PM Because it's DBS and there was an arc almost dedicated to screwing Gohan over. Z had that, too. It was called the Cell saga Really? Gohan may have been degraded earlier on, but at the end he was pushed to the point that he was their last hope against Cell and successfully beat Cell albeit with some inspiration from his father. He was stronger than everyone else, yes, but the entire saga was just him suffering.



Goddess Ultimecia	Mar 12 2016, 03:12 AM Post #14
Posts: 10,145 Group: RP Moderator Member #8,473 Joined: October 26, 2012 Gender Male Country None	Frost Demon Mint Mar 12 2016, 01:18 AM Goddess Ultimecia Mar 11 2016, 05:40 PM Frost Demon Mint Mar 11 2016, 05:38 PM Tin Man Mar 11 2016, 01:19 PM Because it's DBS and there was an arc almost dedicated to screwing Gohan over. Z had that, too. It was called the Cell saga Really? Gohan may have been degraded earlier on, but at the end he was pushed to the point that he was their last hope against Cell and successfully beat Cell albeit with some inspiration from his father. He was stronger than everyone else, yes, but the entire saga was just him suffering. But he got his redemption and his revenge though... in Super he just gets made out to be a joke and has to rely on papa to get anything done...
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Frost Demon Mint	Mar 12 2016, 03:43 AM Post #15
I Am Sustained Posts: 582 Group: Member Member #12,198 Joined: March 31, 2015 Gender Male Country United States Favourite Anime Dragon Ball Kai/Cory in the House What Browser do you use? Chrome Favourite Manga Dragon Ball/Attack on Titan	Pretty sure all the revenge in the world isn't going to make being indirectly responsible for your father's death okay, no matter how much he insists it's fine that he died.



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