EU attempting to damn Greece a second time.

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EU attempting to damn Greece a second time.
Tweet Topic Started: Mar 5 2016, 11:53 AM (232 Views)
+ Sandy Shore	Mar 5 2016, 11:53 AM Post #1
Posts: 1,860 Group: Elite Member Member #12,337 Joined: May 18, 2015	Is this a good reason to oppose the EU? Angela Merkel beckons all refugees and migrants to come to Germany, and effectively decides for the rest of Europe that are unfortunate enough to be part of the Schengen Agreement. Post-Cologne and she realises it's all a bit too much; EU tries to force other countries to take in more and more, but none of them want this abundance of people whose views and attitudes they haven't a clue to; so the EU throws Greece to the dogs. At least 60% are not refugees, but are in-fact economic migrants—probably why they were so quick to violence and gang-forming—and now Greece is imprisoned with them, and more coming, despite what else the EU already ails them with. I really, very genuinely, am asking the people here from the UK to consider voting out to speed up the collapse of the EU, to help the rest of its members, too. I'm aware that my position from the other thread looks as though I'm just using this to benefit my agenda to get the UK out, but I wholeheartedly oppose the EU's oppression and misguided intentions in general, and not just the UK's membership within it. If I seem insincere, I have private messages with another member here expressing how I want everyone to get out, not just the UK, and before I made that last topic, or before I was aware of this; so I hope that person could confirm as such if it means anything to anyone else. The longer it goes on, the more damage it causes. Why wait for the effects of the EU to hit the UK brutally when we can see, not only that it will almost-undoubtedly get around to doing so, but it's already causing serious damage to other nations? Even Sweden, of all places, has a growing far-right movement. That must be quite a statement, no? If the UK leaves, it will probably give other countries more incentive to push for their own referendums, though the UK itself will be already be a big blow - what with it being the second biggest contributor.



*Copy_Ninja*	Mar 5 2016, 12:27 PM Post #2
*Novacane for the pain* Posts: 8,033 Group: Guardian Member #6,499 Joined: July 18, 2011 Gender Not Specified Country None Favourite Anime Naruto, Fullmetal Alchemist: Brotherhood, Hunter x Hunter (2011) What Browser do you use? Google Chrome Favourite Manga Monster, One Piece, Naruto, Fullmetal Alchemist, Hunter X Hunter, Death Note, SnK	It doesn't change my position on the EU, but the whole thing has been badly mishandled and Greece has been left to suffer, it's actually kind of disgusting. Though I don't think this is something the EU as an entity is to blame for but the individual countries within it. If there was no EU the situation wouldn't be any different, countries still wouldn't want to take in anyone and would still leave Greece as it is. Theoretically, this is the kind of the thing the EU should actually be useful for. With the ease of travel and open borders between member States, the system is pretty much already there to share the burden. But the other States don't want to do that and now seem happy enough to leave it to Greece, who are unlucky enough to be accessible by sea and don't have the luxury of a strong border. What they should be doing is lending support to help with processing asylum seekers, ships to help patrol the border and be tougher on sending back economic migrants. Far as I know the latter is being implemented, how successfully we'll have to wait and see. I think the saddest thing about all this is the absolute refusal of some countries to take in refugees, especially considering every single one of them is a signatory of the refugee convention. I understand not wanting to take in economic migrants, but even if it's 40% there's still a lot of people landing there that are fleeing war and persecution that we should be protecting.
	We'll never be those kids again


+ Sandy Shore	Mar 5 2016, 06:39 PM Post #3
Posts: 1,860 Group: Elite Member Member #12,337 Joined: May 18, 2015	If there was no EU, we wouldn't have Angela Merkel inviting homeless people to a house party so that she can feel super proud about how liberal she is, and then have her parents using their power to make other homes take them in after the other people Angela shares her house with get abused. The problem isn't that other countries aren't pulling their weight—that's overlooking the primary cause, and blaming the response—it's that the EU system allows some big-mouthed imbecile like Merkel to make such a colossally stupid mistake on so many other people's behalf, and then instead of admitting the system is wrong, the EU doubles down and exacerbates it - usually at the expense of Greece! Poor Greece, so weak and easily bullied. Since when is the sea not the luxury of a strong border? The issue isn't that Greece is a place people can travel to, it's that the people are allowed to travel to Greece - and it's not allowed to protect its own interests, evidently. Copy_Ninja I think the saddest thing about all this is the absolute refusal of some countries to take in refugees, especially considering every single one of them is a signatory of the refugee convention. I understand not wanting to take in economic migrants, but even if it's 40% there's still a lot of people landing there that are fleeing war and persecution that we should be protecting. Again, this is blaming the secondary, or even tertiary issue, when you should be blaming the primary cause. Europe—Britain especially—has a history of taking in refugees, but when you hear about how these refugees behave, and how many they're expected to take, can you really blame countries for protecting their own people first and foremost? That is, supposedly, the point of the government. That 60% being economic migrants is an at least number, apparently. Most of the people coming in to Europe are service-aged men, who could be fighting for their country, but they don't want to. We (as Europeans) shouldn't be obliged nor expected to take anyone else in at this point, because there is clearly a very undesirable, very genuinely dangerous group amongst those seeking to get in. Yes, it might be unfair to those in genuine need, but there are better ways to help, if it weren't for the crippling ideologues insisting we just take them in. We should be setting up safety zones in non-EU countries neighbouring their own, and providing them with food, shelter, and protection there. Make no mistake, the EU system and its ideology are the problem, exacerbated by Devila Merkel, not "callous, non-feeling member-countries". All countries—Greece included—didn't want to take in any more migrants, and there is a very sincere reason for this, but the EU targets weak Greece and seals them up; not from where these people are getting in to Greece, but from where they're leaving it... Edited by Sandy Shore, Mar 5 2016, 06:42 PM.



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