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| + Sandy Shore | Mar 1 2016, 10:51 PM Post #16 |
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I do believe this is the most sensible thing you've ever said:
I jest. You do make a good point by bringing up an apt comparison: It follows, that, if parents can, and are expected to act appropriately when their children come out, or are found out to be homosexual, then there's no reason not to expect the same of parents of children who are in a consensual relationship with one another. Edited by Sandy Shore, Mar 1 2016, 10:55 PM.
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| Byn | Mar 1 2016, 11:12 PM Post #17 |
 
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Are there any studies which demonstrate babies born from incest have a significantly higher chance of birth defects? I've heard before that it only becomes a problem after a few generations. (Royal families.) I'd imagine that it's not the easiest thing to study. Like I know first cousins can have kids with only a marginally increased risk. |
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| Ding | Mar 1 2016, 11:17 PM Post #18 |
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The son was clearly the instigator in this situation. There is a significant maturity gap between a 16 year old and a 13 year old. The father beat another man for what was done to his daughter. I don't see the problem. It's the sons fault for committing this mortal sin. I remember when I was 16 and there were a few weirdos in our grade who went and got 13 year old girlfriends. We thought it was weird then. (They weren't even related ) you're pretty much a young man @ 16. Shouldn't be cradle robbing. I hope the family recovers and I'll pray for the son's soul. Edited by Ding, Mar 1 2016, 11:28 PM.
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| + Steve | Mar 1 2016, 11:34 PM Post #19 |
Greetings. I will be your waifu this season.
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How would you know that? Like half the 13 year old girls in my town are pregnant and probably have more sexual experience than I do... A 3 year gap isn't much, the dude could easily have been a virgin himself and had no idea what he was doing whereas she could have done "stuff" before and convinced him to try it. Hormones make people do all sorts of s***. That or they're both lonely, can't really speak for their family life but if their dad is that sort of person is it really likely to be a loving household? Perhaps their only comfort in life was each other and things just...developed. On the topic of babies I'm pretty sure it's not like if you have a kid with your sister it WILL have two heads and a tail, fairly sure there's a higher chance of some defects. Not a monstrously huge chance with only one generation but enough that I think people should be responsible enough not to risk it. |
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| + Sandy Shore | Mar 2 2016, 12:06 AM Post #20 |
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I don't know of any studies undertaken, so you're just as likely to locate them as I am. My understanding of it is that if there is a defective gene present in the family that wasn't expressed, then two siblings increase the chance of passing it on since both parents possess it; though the likelihood of passing it on would be the same if you found a partner of no relation that also had this defective gene somewhere in their physiology. So, no, as another pairing of people could be just as likely to give rise to defective traits in children—or more likely, assuming the sibling-parents have no such defects—it's not really a bad thing for them to have children together, and isn't really why I object to it. Edited by Sandy Shore, Mar 2 2016, 12:08 AM.
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| + Pointer | Mar 2 2016, 04:56 PM Post #21 |
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Still thee thing that i d have sex with a sibling...is well... not right. I mean it is disgusting, not because it kills the initial family relationship but it is not natural I mean even wolves and animals try to evade it. |
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Mar 2 2016, 05:05 PM Post #22 |
What will you do when you get old?
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Ask for nudes |
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| Copy_Ninja | Mar 2 2016, 05:09 PM Post #23 |
Novacane for the pain
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To be fair, incest does raise the issue of grooming, coercion and undue influence. Between siblings closer in age it might not be as big of a deal, more likely for it to be consensual. Three years probably isn't as big of a risk but it depends on the nature of the relationship really. Younger siblings are liable to manipulation from the elder, it's something to consider. It's good reason to treat any relationship like that with skepticism because there is a risk. Personally I find it pretty disgusting but as long as it's actually consensual then it's not really my business. Certainly doesn't justify a reaction like the one from the father in the OP. |
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| + Sandy Shore | Mar 2 2016, 05:46 PM Post #24 |
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No one's telling you that you need to be in to it. You find it disgusting, and that's fine, but it doesn't make others who do so bad people, or people you should treat differently. If you were find out he had been abusing his sister, then that's a different matter. |
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| + Steve | Mar 2 2016, 07:55 PM Post #25 |
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Greetings. I will be your waifu this season.
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Yeah that's the same as anything else really. I'd probably rather kill myself than do anything in line with faecalphillia(however it's spelt) but if people want to do it...then okay, go wild just be safe about it. The older person influencing the other is definitely something to think about but it's almost always assumed that the male was at fault and if he's the older one then he's screwed, even though the younger female could just have easily instigated it. Firstly if anyone was physically forced in to it I doubt a relationship like the one described here would develop so not going to dig in to physical abuse like that. That's completely unacceptable. I think once the girl is past like 14, maaaybe 13, depending on how old the guy is she should be considered responsible for her own choices. It's not like adults don't influence each other in to sexual relationships is it? Rent a car, convince someone you're rich and there's a good chance they'll hop in bed with you thinking they'll be set for life. If you fall for that kinda s*** it's partly your own fault, same with people who pretend they have feelings for someone to get in bed with them. Kinda doubt you could take such a thing to court with much success they'd probably laugh at you. Not saying it doesn't happen but generally it's recognized as partly your fault for accepting. I find it hard to believe a 14 year old could be so oblivious about sex that they wouldn't have a clue what was going on. Not that all responsibility ought to be thrust on them but to only punish the older person on the basis that they may have manipulated them is just silly as far as I'm concerned. Nobody bats an eye when a 50 year old man buys a 20 year old jewellery and such to get her to f*** him and she goes for it(manipulation can go either way here) So I don't see why the older person should be at fault automatically unless the age difference is huge and spans across underage territory significantly. An 11 year old girl and a 15 year old boy is definitely quite shady, chances are she's not even hit puberty yet whereas it's doubtful he hasn't. |
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| Copy_Ninja | Mar 2 2016, 08:10 PM Post #26 |
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Novacane for the pain
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I'm not really talking about manipulation the way you're describing it Steve. Manipulation on that level isn't the same thing as a dominant person in a relationship using that position for their own ends. A lot of sibling relationships aren't like this, usually it's just bickering and the like but it's not uncommon for a younger sibling to be dependent on an older one for emotional support and the like. When you've got someone who's young, and being 13-14 is young, and puts a lot of trust in someone else they can be convinced to do things they don't want to do. The nature of the relationship is one of dependency, or something similar to it. Now, this doesn't mean that the dominant person has to be older, certainly you see older parents being taken advantage of by their children depressingly often (not sexually but for example being conned out of money). But most of the time, the older person would be the dominant one especially at such a young age. Just a few years at that age is a big difference in intelligence, maturity and life experience. Not saying any of that is happening here but always something to keep in mind. |
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| + Steve | Mar 2 2016, 08:45 PM Post #27 |
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Greetings. I will be your waifu this season.
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Oh yeah of course there's definitely issues with emotional manipulation like that but still unless some really twisted stuff was going on if this was about 2 adults then the victim would still be considered partly responsible for submitting. Not that I agree with ever doing that but it's especially stupid how a 14 year old can manipulate a vulnerable 18 year old in to sex and the 18 year old will get punished for it more often than not, unless they happened to be mentally ill or something that would explain how they were easily manipulated. Otherwise "they should have known better" like legally being an adult is some magical process where you learn about everything. When it comes to law there's more to it than age of consent but all the public needs to see is "underage" to condemn the older party. Dumb how not many people care for the full story. Honestly I'm not even sure why these things get any major punishments anyway. If they were being safe about it tell them not to do it again or they will be punished. If they've already had sex and it was consensual then, it's done. So long as the girl never got pregnant, nobody was forced in to it, no diseases were contracted etc etc, any kind of jail time or criminal record sounds extreme. Me and my friends way back when we were like 13-14 caused thousands of pounds worth of fire damage and I guess government money because apparently it costs £1000 to send out a fire enginge(which we made happen like...20 times) Group of like 5 or 6 boys, quite a few fires, mostly bushes and other stuff but still dangerous and costly. We got caught and taken down to the police station eventuallyand basically every fire that had been set for months was linked to us. All got let off with warnings, it's not even on my record now even though I was taking the blame for most of it. Obviously we were well aware how dangerous fire is also. But get seduced by your slightly underage girlfriend and you'll be lucky to be more than a janitor or trash collector since you're a sex offender? That seems fair. Sex is definitely an outright more dangerous and destructive act than lighting fires. Edited by Steve, Mar 2 2016, 08:49 PM.
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| * Sousen Ichimonji | Mar 2 2016, 10:31 PM Post #28 |
You are calm and reposed, let your beauty unfold
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| + Pointer | Mar 7 2016, 10:59 AM Post #29 |
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Just as an epilogue.... I heard so that the family "forgave" him and basically he s living with them as he used to, but the sister is still at her grandma (about 50-60 km away)...In the weekends as she s in a different city from monday to friday due to university |
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| + Steve | Mar 7 2016, 02:56 PM Post #30 |
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Greetings. I will be your waifu this season.
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Did they forgive her too or is she not considered at fault? |
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