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The Hobbit (1977)
Topic Started: Feb 19 2016, 02:42 PM (949 Views)
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Being faithful to the source material is overrated. The whole point of an adaptation is put your own spin on it.

Now, I'm not a huge fan of the Hobbit movies either, but they're a right sight better than than that gimmicky (rotoscoping!) animated stuff.
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Feb 20 2016, 02:04 AM
Being faithful to the source material is overrated. The whole point of an adaptation is put your own spin on it.

Now, I'm not a huge fan of the Hobbit movies either, but they're a right sight better than than that gimmicky (rotoscoping!) animated stuff.
Yeah I've never got that mindset...why even bother with a movie if it's literally just a moving version of a book with sounds?

You might as well just read the book if it's the exact same thing or only watch the movie, no point doing both.


Not that I enjoyed the Hobbit movies all that much or remember the book much either. I feel like it should have been two movies long and no more than that, hours of the trilogy just felt like boring filler crap. Cut all that s*** out and give us an epic Smaug battle not that tripe, Benedict Cumberbach was so wasted in these movies.

Pretty sure PJ admitted he just kind of winged the whole thing :rofl:


Anyway being more child friendly probably would have been silly, considering they're a part of the LOTR movie universe which doesn't have that tone.
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Feb 20 2016, 02:20 AM
Anyway being more child friendly probably would have been silly, considering they're a part of the LOTR movie universe which doesn't have that tone.


That's the point of The Hobbit. Tolkien wrote it as a book for his children, it wasn't made to be an epic adventure, and it's related to the LOTR just because, but it doesn't follow the same story. It's not the typical fantasy good vs evil stuff. It's ment to be silly, not action-packed as LOTR was, where there could be whole chapters dedicated to several armies duking it out.

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Feb 20 2016, 02:04 AM
Being faithful to the source material is overrated. The whole point of an adaptation is put your own spin on it.


When the adaptation changes the character completely to the point where they seem likes jokes of the original selves that is not acceptable. That's not how you adapt a character. Slight changes like Maguire's Spider-Man having natural mutant spider webs is fine for the sake of Sam Raimi's weird take on the character.

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Feb 20 2016, 02:04 AM
Now, I'm not a huge fan of the Hobbit movies either, but they're a right sight better than than that gimmicky (rotoscoping!) animated stuff.


Not rotoscoping. It's Ghibli studios doing its thing, but back when they weren't as good as they're now. Rotoscoping was used in Ralph Bakshi's LOTR movies, and those aren't great.
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Not rotoscoping. It's Ghibli studios doing its thing, but back when they weren't as good as they're now. Rotoscoping was used in Ralph Bakshi's LOTR movies, and those aren't great.
I thought this was the same thing.
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When the adaptation changes the character completely to the point where they seem likes jokes of the original selves that is not acceptable. That's not how you adapt a character. Slight changes like Maguire's Spider-Man having natural mutant spider webs is fine for the sake of Sam Raimi's weird take on the character.
I wouldn't use that as a blanket rule. That example you gave isn't really what I meant either.

I don't think there should be anything considered "unacceptable", even in adaptations.
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Feb 20 2016, 12:48 AM
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It's not that I'm against your opinion or your tiny arguments(seriously you barely wrote any) which I didn't ignore(otherwise what or who was I replying at?), it's the fact that I don't agree. Why would you like to change my mind? What's the point?
I don't feel like I need to write an entire essay for it to be considered an opinion. If you don't like my arguments, then so be it. Doesn't mean they are bad arguments, I found one who agreed with me so that's a win.
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"So that's a win."

A win? What did you win? You won nothing, you just saw someone who likes the PJ movies aside from you(I guess), no one said you were right or wrong.
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Feb 20 2016, 07:30 PM
"So that's a win."

A win? What did you win? You won nothing, you just saw someone who likes the PJ movies aside from you(I guess), no one said you were right or wrong.
Pelador more or less agreed with my points though.

Btw, I don't want to change your opinion on it, I am just expressing my opinion. You're the one fighting it.
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Feb 20 2016, 02:57 AM
That's the point of The Hobbit. Tolkien wrote it as a book for his children, it wasn't made to be an epic adventure, and it's related to the LOTR just because, but it doesn't follow the same story. It's not the typical fantasy good vs evil stuff. It's ment to be silly, not action-packed as LOTR was, where there could be whole chapters dedicated to several armies duking it out.
But it wouldn't fit in with the film universe at all considering the Hobbit movies came after.

If they done that first and the tone shifted to more serious stuff that'd be fine but to go from serious and epic to whacky is...off.

It's also pretty much guaranteed that most people who watched and loved the LOTR movies never read or at least remembered the Hobbit book(or the LOTR books for that matter) so it'd be even weirder for them to have the tone suddenly shift.
The movies still had to sell after all so catering to the small portion of fans who vividly remember the book would have been kind of stupid.
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Feb 20 2016, 02:04 AM
Being faithful to the source material is overrated. The whole point of an adaptation is put your own spin on it.
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Darker remember that little thing we had in smother thread where I said u need to stop acting like ur opinion is the be all and end all of what is considered good media and that it's all subjective and u heavily disagreed with me and said u didn't do that kinda stuff?

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Feb 20 2016, 08:37 PM
Darker remember that little thing we had in smother thread where I said u need to stop acting like ur opinion is the be all and end all of what is considered good media and that it's all subjective and u heavily disagreed with me and said u didn't do that kinda stuff?

Apply it to this


Not the same, bud.

Peter Jackson's Hobbit movies were not great movies, especially compared to this one, which did a better job at adapting the story with the more relevant plot points and leaving most without making the whole tale seem off or anything. Jackson added nonsense everywhere, and it still took him a whole trilogy to make up for it, but he didn't do a good job at all. Especially since he intended them to be a faithful adaptation, which it wasn't.

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Feb 20 2016, 08:03 PM
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Feb 20 2016, 02:57 AM
That's the point of The Hobbit. Tolkien wrote it as a book for his children, it wasn't made to be an epic adventure, and it's related to the LOTR just because, but it doesn't follow the same story. It's not the typical fantasy good vs evil stuff. It's ment to be silly, not action-packed as LOTR was, where there could be whole chapters dedicated to several armies duking it out.
But it wouldn't fit in with the film universe at all considering the Hobbit movies came after.

If they done that first and the tone shifted to more serious stuff that'd be fine but to go from serious and epic to whacky is...off.


Okay, first off, I really, seriously and highly doubt the Hobbit trilogy was ment to be a project Jackson thought about it at some point, because otherwise there wouldn't be so many inconsistencies, like the fact that in the LOTR movies we already see Bilbo finding the ring without meeting Smeagol/Gollum as his old self.

Secondly, this argument you just threw out of nowhere is dumb:

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It's also pretty much guaranteed that most people who watched and loved the LOTR movies never read or at least remembered the Hobbit book(or the LOTR books for that matter) so it'd be even weirder for them to have the tone suddenly shift.
The movies still had to sell after all so catering to the small portion of fans who vividly remember the book would have been kind of stupid.


How do you know people forgot about the books? You don't, it's YOUR problem if you know nothing about the books or the mythology, the movies were ment for the fans, as Jackson did a particularly good job with the LOTR movies, and he was a big fan himself, but just wanted to get some money by making unnecessary prequels. So it bugs me how bad he did his job at adapting, even with the more serious stuff from The Hobbit aside from the spiders or Beorn, but changing Smaug, adding more of the Necromancer and resurrecting orcs that were already dead by that point of the story, what's up with that?

Jackson pulled a George Lucas with the prequels, simple as that. He added nonsense and dumb comedy. The only thing he didn't adapt which still fitted the story was the barrel riding scene, because tbh in the book it doesn't make a lot of sense when Bilbo calls himself "barrel-rider", as he was stuck in the barrel for hours and that's it.

The general public is pleased with these movies? Great, most critics have not read the books. I have, my father forced me to read most of Tolkien's books 'cause he was a huge fanboy and turned me into one(not exactly like that, though). The general public talks about the movies being great but most fans know they weren't at all, because they did a poor job adapting it.

It does seem like you guys think I don't see good things in the PJ movies. I do, but they're barely there for a couple of minutes. When I first watched them, I appreciated the changes, but the prequels got so overhyped I disliked the changes by then. Especially because some of the hype came from a few people who butchered the book and the original movie, and I hate that.
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Feb 20 2016, 11:16 PM
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Feb 20 2016, 08:37 PM
Darker remember that little thing we had in smother thread where I said u need to stop acting like ur opinion is the be all and end all of what is considered good media and that it's all subjective and u heavily disagreed with me and said u didn't do that kinda stuff?

Apply it to this


Not the same, bud.

Peter Jackson's Hobbit movies were not great movies, especially compared to this one, which did a better job at adapting the story with the more relevant plot points and leaving most without making the whole tale seem off or anything. Jackson added nonsense everywhere, and it still took him a whole trilogy to make up for it, but he didn't do a good job at all. Especially since he intended them to be a faithful adaptation, which it wasn't.
You're talking about this like there's an universal fact that the movies were bad. Like Buuberries said it's all subjective, so you spewing this non-sense about "it not being the same" is all BS.

Tell you what, I've read The Hobbit two times in the past, loved it and I still think the PJ movies are pretty good. I should know what I'm talking about and my opinion should be valid.

If you don't like the movies that's fine, but you are definitely thinking your opinion is fact, which it isn't. Wanted to get that straight.
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Never said it was a fact for you, but it is for me.
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Feb 21 2016, 08:04 AM
Never said it was a fact for you,
You sure as hell came off like that.
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Not the same, bud.

Peter Jackson's Hobbit movies were not great movies, especially compared to this one, which did a better job at adapting the story with the more relevant plot points and leaving most without making the whole tale seem off or anything. Jackson added nonsense everywhere, and it still took him a whole trilogy to make up for it, but he didn't do a good job at all. Especially since he intended them to be a faithful adaptation, which it wasn't.

Yes it is, pal.

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