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Feb 12 2016, 05:33 PM
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Why is our fandom so intellectually diverse? We have some really good debaters and some real big idiots,depends on the site tho. For example the "power levels are bulls***" argument is propaganda perpetuated by screw attack,fallacy,and ignorance. When in fact power levels is all that matters in dragon ball. Scouters are bulls***,because they do not determine ones true power level,aka battle power, aka ki,etc. But for the most part pls are consistent and clear and actually made fights to easy to predict. Honestly if pls are bs than why did Toryama give the 6,10,15 ratings for goku beerus and whys. There are exceptions when it comes to hax,weakness,and magic but never has a higher ki fallen to a lower in a regular case. But we have internet snobs...http://narutobase.net/forums/showthread.php?t=696889&page=3&p=20195052#post20195052
peep the link, my debate(i am timothythetomato) with a forum member of the site(tachyon) displayed the horrors of misconception becoming peoples realities and internet hubris. Honestly narutobase should delete their dragonball section because....I cant even say it politely. All imma say is a Popular opinion is Goku>Gotenks (buu saga) But some prove that ideas like that are only the tip of the iceberg and if you disagree with these people you havent read the manga(which contradicts them) even if you have almost every scan saved on both of your phones
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Feb 12 2016, 05:39 PM
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- Timothy
- Feb 12 2016, 05:33 PM
Why is our fandom so intellectually diverse? We have some really good debaters and some real big idiots,depends on the site tho. For example the "power levels are bulls***" argument is propaganda perpetuated by screw attack,fallacy,and ignorance. When in fact power levels is all that matters in dragon ball. Scouters are bulls***,because they do not determine ones true power level,aka battle power, aka ki,etc. But for the most part pls are consistent and clear and actually made fights to easy to predict. Honestly if pls are bs than why did Toryama give the 6,10,15 ratings for goku beerus and whys. There are exceptions when it comes to hax,weakness,and magic but never has a higher ki fallen to a lower in a regular case. But we have internet snobs...http://narutobase.net/forums/showthread.php?t=696889&page=3&p=20195052#post20195052 peep the link, my debate(i am timothythetomato) with a forum member of the site(tachyon) displayed the horrors of misconception becoming peoples realities and internet hubris. Honestly narutobase should delete their dragonball section because....I cant even say it politely. All imma say is a Popular opinion is Goku>Gotenks (buu saga) But some prove that ideas like that are only the tip of the iceberg and if you disagree with these people you havent read the manga(which contradicts them) even if you have almost every scan saved on both of your phones  I'm just saying to counter act your first point and your first point only, Akira Toriyama said himself, and I quote. "Power levels were introduced to show how pointless they are."
There ya have it. Power levels are pointless and irrelevant. POWER is what matters, not power levels. :P
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Feb 12 2016, 05:56 PM
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- Feb 12 2016, 05:39 PM
- Timothy
- Feb 12 2016, 05:33 PM
Why is our fandom so intellectually diverse? We have some really good debaters and some real big idiots,depends on the site tho. For example the "power levels are bulls***" argument is propaganda perpetuated by screw attack,fallacy,and ignorance. When in fact power levels is all that matters in dragon ball. Scouters are bulls***,because they do not determine ones true power level,aka battle power, aka ki,etc. But for the most part pls are consistent and clear and actually made fights to easy to predict. Honestly if pls are bs than why did Toryama give the 6,10,15 ratings for goku beerus and whys. There are exceptions when it comes to hax,weakness,and magic but never has a higher ki fallen to a lower in a regular case. But we have internet snobs...http://narutobase.net/forums/showthread.php?t=696889&page=3&p=20195052#post20195052 peep the link, my debate(i am timothythetomato) with a forum member of the site(tachyon) displayed the horrors of misconception becoming peoples realities and internet hubris. Honestly narutobase should delete their dragonball section because....I cant even say it politely. All imma say is a Popular opinion is Goku>Gotenks (buu saga) But some prove that ideas like that are only the tip of the iceberg and if you disagree with these people you havent read the manga(which contradicts them) even if you have almost every scan saved on both of your phones 
I'm just saying to counter act your first point and your first point only, Akira Toriyama said himself, and I quote. "Power levels were introduced to show how pointless they are." There ya have it. Power levels are pointless and irrelevant. POWER is what matters, not power levels. :P Didnt he also say they made things to easy to predict. I think the quote youre referring to means the scouter levels. But yea, when i say power level, i mean literal level of power. The only diff between goku and his tranformed states is level of power
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Feb 12 2016, 06:05 PM
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- Feb 12 2016, 05:33 PM
Why is our fandom so intellectually diverse? We have some really good debaters and some real big idiots. That's a thing with every single fanbase, Timothy.
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Feb 12 2016, 11:28 PM
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- Feb 12 2016, 05:33 PM
Why is our fandom so intellectually diverse? We have some really good debaters and some real big idiots,depends on the site tho. For example the "power levels are bulls***" argument is propaganda perpetuated by screw attack,fallacy,and ignorance. When in fact power levels is all that matters in dragon ball. Scouters are bulls***,because they do not determine ones true power level,aka battle power, aka ki,etc. But for the most part pls are consistent and clear and actually made fights to easy to predict. Honestly if pls are bs than why did Toryama give the 6,10,15 ratings for goku beerus and whys. There are exceptions when it comes to hax,weakness,and magic but never has a higher ki fallen to a lower in a regular case. But we have internet snobs...http://narutobase.net/forums/showthread.php?t=696889&page=3&p=20195052#post20195052 peep the link, my debate(i am timothythetomato) with a forum member of the site(tachyon) displayed the horrors of misconception becoming peoples realities and internet hubris. Honestly narutobase should delete their dragonball section because....I cant even say it politely. All imma say is a Popular opinion is Goku>Gotenks (buu saga) But some prove that ideas like that are only the tip of the iceberg and if you disagree with these people you havent read the manga(which contradicts them) even if you have almost every scan saved on both of your phones 
I'm just saying to counter act your first point and your first point only, Akira Toriyama said himself, and I quote. "Power levels were introduced to show how pointless they are." There ya have it. Power levels are pointless and irrelevant. POWER is what matters, not power levels. :P The only thing that's "meaningless" are power levels from scouters that detect suppressed PL's (from the Saiyan and Namek Arcs). Other than that, there's no reason to think that numerical numbers don't matter when the entire series is based on who's more powerful than who. People who say that PL's are BS are ignorant and/or stupid and want to believe that X character can stand a chance against Y character even though there's no possible way that X character can be even close to Y character.
I agree with the OP's sentiments very much. You can find a lot of these people on YT and their ignorance is just pitiful. Especially in a day of age where you can find out practically everything about the series with a few Google searches
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Feb 12 2016, 11:41 PM
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- Feb 12 2016, 11:28 PM
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- Feb 12 2016, 05:39 PM
- Timothy
- Feb 12 2016, 05:33 PM
Why is our fandom so intellectually diverse? We have some really good debaters and some real big idiots,depends on the site tho. For example the "power levels are bulls***" argument is propaganda perpetuated by screw attack,fallacy,and ignorance. When in fact power levels is all that matters in dragon ball. Scouters are bulls***,because they do not determine ones true power level,aka battle power, aka ki,etc. But for the most part pls are consistent and clear and actually made fights to easy to predict. Honestly if pls are bs than why did Toryama give the 6,10,15 ratings for goku beerus and whys. There are exceptions when it comes to hax,weakness,and magic but never has a higher ki fallen to a lower in a regular case. But we have internet snobs...http://narutobase.net/forums/showthread.php?t=696889&page=3&p=20195052#post20195052 peep the link, my debate(i am timothythetomato) with a forum member of the site(tachyon) displayed the horrors of misconception becoming peoples realities and internet hubris. Honestly narutobase should delete their dragonball section because....I cant even say it politely. All imma say is a Popular opinion is Goku>Gotenks (buu saga) But some prove that ideas like that are only the tip of the iceberg and if you disagree with these people you havent read the manga(which contradicts them) even if you have almost every scan saved on both of your phones 
I'm just saying to counter act your first point and your first point only, Akira Toriyama said himself, and I quote. "Power levels were introduced to show how pointless they are." There ya have it. Power levels are pointless and irrelevant. POWER is what matters, not power levels. :P
The only thing that's "meaningless" are power levels from scouters that detect suppressed PL's (from the Saiyan and Namek Arcs). Other than that, there's no reason to think that numerical numbers don't matter when the entire series is based on who's more powerful than who. People who say that PL's are BS are ignorant and/or stupid and want to believe that X character can stand a chance against Y character even though there's no possible way that X character can be even close to Y character. I agree with the OP's sentiments very much. You can find a lot of these people on YT and their ignorance is just pitiful. Especially in a day of age where you can find out practically everything about the series with a few Google searches I wish I could up-vote this comment more than once. Despite it being a terrible system that murders any variety save for a view specific techniques that circumvent it, PL or numerical designations of power decide everything. Even after they're gone. Why is Perfect Cell stronger than Goku? Because his numerically designated strength number is bigger than Goku's. We don't see it but we know that's how it works.
The only thing remotely true about the whole "Power Levels are bulls***" sentiment as presented by most fans is that the way they raise their powers can get pretty random and ridiculous at times. Like Piccolo getting apparently many times stronger in mere days or Vegeta getting an inferior zenkai to Goku even though he's many times above Goku's 90 000 PL upon getting his last one to fight Freeza.
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Feb 12 2016, 11:49 PM
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It's a big fandom, it's bound to be diverse.
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Feb 13 2016, 12:49 AM
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On the power level thing, while in general they are wrong, I would say they're on the money in regards to matching Goku against perks outside of db. Power level isn't measurable on characters not from Dragon Ball, and thus are useless in determining strength. By in regards to the show yeah, scouters are useless when you can suppress down to five, they're little more than a glorified radar.
As for why, it's because it's a huge fandom that's been building for more than two decades. It'd be more surprising if we didn't have such a diverse fandom.
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Feb 13 2016, 08:27 PM
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- Feb 13 2016, 12:49 AM
On the power level thing, while in general they are wrong, I would say they're on the money in regards to matching Goku against perks outside of db. Power level isn't measurable on characters not from Dragon Ball, and thus are useless in determining strength. By in regards to the show yeah, scouters are useless when you can suppress down to five, they're little more than a glorified radar.
As for why, it's because it's a huge fandom that's been building for more than two decades. It'd be more surprising if we didn't have such a diverse fandom. Yea Ill just stick to this site and register for the kanenshuu forum because thats where i find the most logical fans
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Feb 14 2016, 11:35 AM
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- Feb 12 2016, 05:33 PM
Why is our fandom so intellectually diverse? We have some really good debaters and some real big idiots.
That's a thing with every single fanbase all humans, Timothy. Fixed it.
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- Feb 12 2016, 05:33 PM
Why is our fandom so intellectually diverse? We have some really good debaters and some real big idiots,depends on the site tho. For example the "power levels are bulls***" argument is propaganda perpetuated by screw attack,fallacy,and ignorance. When in fact power levels is all that matters in dragon ball. Scouters are bulls***,because they do not determine ones true power level,aka battle power, aka ki,etc. But for the most part pls are consistent and clear and actually made fights to easy to predict. Honestly if pls are bs than why did Toryama give the 6,10,15 ratings for goku beerus and whys. There are exceptions when it comes to hax,weakness,and magic but never has a higher ki fallen to a lower in a regular case. But we have internet snobs...http://narutobase.net/forums/showthread.php?t=696889&page=3&p=20195052#post20195052 peep the link, my debate(i am timothythetomato) with a forum member of the site(tachyon) displayed the horrors of misconception becoming peoples realities and internet hubris. Honestly narutobase should delete their dragonball section because....I cant even say it politely. All imma say is a Popular opinion is Goku>Gotenks (buu saga) But some prove that ideas like that are only the tip of the iceberg and if you disagree with these people you havent read the manga(which contradicts them) even if you have almost every scan saved on both of your phones 
I'm just saying to counter act your first point and your first point only, Akira Toriyama said himself, and I quote. "Power levels were introduced to show how pointless they are." There ya have it. Power levels are pointless and irrelevant. POWER is what matters, not power levels. :P Akira never said that here is what he actually said - Quote:
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My number-one goal in coming up with it was because, if an opponent’s strength could be seen as a number, it would be very easy for the readers to understand when I put it in the comic. However, I could foresee that it’d be an inconvenience for me down the line, because if you knew a concrete number, then you could tell who would win or lose, so with regards to Goku & co., I decided that [their power] would change due to “Ki” and couldn’t be adequately measured. In addition, it’s a very convenient item to create peril, since with enemies equipped with them, their location could become known, and they could be reported. Source http://www.kanzenshuu.com/translations/saikyo-jump-tell-us-toriyama-sensei-qa/
Akira never said they were pointless that was screw attack BSing
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Feb 14 2016, 06:59 PM
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- Feb 12 2016, 05:33 PM
Why is our fandom so intellectually diverse? We have some really good debaters and some real big idiots.
That's a thing with every single fanbase and all humans, Timothy.
Fixed it. Fixed it for ya.
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Piccolo: Just how many people have you sacrificed?!
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