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Cell, speed, gotenks
Topic Started: Feb 10 2016, 11:24 PM (1,464 Views)
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Yeah, you'd have to argue that it took Piccolo 29 minutes or so to travel, at most, half of the planet.
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Feb 12 2016, 07:37 PM
Yeah, you'd have to argue that it took Piccolo 29 minutes or so to travel, at most, half of the planet.
Or that what we saw on panel wasn't all of his travel
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Piccolo's journey is very simple. If Gotenks sped around the Earth in seconds, leaving Piccolo in the dust, Piccolo need only travel straight to the place where he last felt Gotenks's energy, which can't be more than halfway around the Earth. Meaning Piccolo took almost half an hour to fly halfway around the Earth.
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Or they move at the speed of plot.....

Because Saiyan Saga Goku isn't faster than Buu saga piccolo
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Cell could just force Bulma to make him a ship to use to roam the universe. Also, being a threat to the whole universe doesn't necessarily mean he threatens all of it. It just means that he has the potential to cause damage to every portion, not necessarily that he will. I dunno, kind of like how someone saying that guns are a threat to all people doesn't mean that they're implying that everyone is at gunpoint, just the future possibility of them being at gun point maybe
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I guess it's possible it would take that long. Saiyan saga goku was Mach 29 in travel speed and since their speed doesn't scale linearly with power level and didn't make any big jumps till gotenks, piccolo is probably in the Mach 30s

So, assuming gotenks was on the other side of the planet, it's not far fetched to say it took about 28 minutes to cross it. Since he's sweating too, he was probably flying for a while so this is likely the case right? So what does this mean for gotenks? Somewhere around light speed travel speed confirmed? gotenks flew for a minute, then piccolo sensed him land and spent about 29 minutes flying to reach him. It makes more sense fr piccolo to wait till gotenks lands to start flying to him so that's why I think it did probably take 29 minutes. So no that's still not close to lightspeed lol

I might've just derped and got my math(and everything else I said) wrong since its late and I'm not thinking but whatever
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Regardless, light speed isn't near enough to be a universal threat, as the universe is 91 billion light years across. The milky way alone is over 100 thousand. Even if Cell lives for a thousand years, he's not really going to get anywhere.

Without a space ship, anyone who isn't immortal isn't any kind of real threat to the universe unless they're crazy fast.
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Pretty much yeah. That along with the why else would piccolo mention Frieza and cold(emperors, not destroyers), is why I don't think piccolo meant cell would destroy the universe
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Well... DBZ Character are easily in the light speed range let me display a couple feats http://www.narutoforums.com/blog.php?b=33562 The ships move around 980 times light speed
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King kai can not track Goku while he is fighting Frieza But he has displayed that he can track and say the locations of the Sayian Pods and Gokus ship Therefore Goku and Frieza were fighting faster than the ship one argument I hear against this is that the ships were moving lineraly making it easier to track but there's a problem with this King kai has tracked planets and the sayians are bigger than the pods and gokus not that much different in size to ships ship King kai has tracked a ship full of people not moving linearly and talked to them at the end of the sayian saga.

and theres this feat as well

gokus ship is caught in a stars gravity and cant move at speed of the escape velocity but Goku fires a kamehameha boosting the ship so it moves fast enough to escape the star

and not to mention the Kamehameha's that have been shot at the sun which have been calculated dozens of times FTL http://www.narutoforums.com/blog.php?b=33817#comment221982

So yeah DBZ characters are FTL

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Those are anime scenes
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Feb 14 2016, 10:20 PM
Those are anime scenes
Super refrences anime filler characters and includes some of them so canno non cannon doesnt matter right now and if were stritckly going by manga theres also Piccolo destroying the moon Posted Image Posted Image

The distance to the moon from earth is the same in dragonball as it is in real life as Akira said in a interview. the distance from eath to the moon is 238,900 miles and for a time frame in the anime it takes 4 seconds which would mean that the beam moved at 59,725 miles per second or mach 280,227.61 or 32% light speed and Vegeta mentions that speed rises with power levels Posted Image so piccolos power level was 329 Raditz had a Battle power of 1500 making raditz around 4 times stronger than Piccolo at this point 32*4 = 145 % the speed of light So raditz is FTL making most DBZ Characters FTL

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Just because Super references certain filler material doesn't necessarily mean all filler is canonized

Using the scene where piccolo blows up the moon is faulty
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Feb 14 2016, 11:42 PM
Just because Super references certain filler material doesn't necessarily mean all filler is canonized

Using the scene where piccolo blows up the moon is faulty
Cannocity is debatable Im just showing feats

Why? Roshis moon bust was the one considered an outlier

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Feb 14 2016, 11:42 PM
Just because Super references certain filler material doesn't necessarily mean all filler is canonized

Using the scene where piccolo blows up the moon is faulty
Cannocity is debatable Im just showing feats

Why? Roshis moon bust was the one considered an outlier
Roshis feat isn't even an outlier
Roshis pl was over 100
Piccolo when he blew up the moon was around 300-400
Kamehameha had a 2x multiplier in the early series and roshi was in buff form
Safe to say roshi was in 300 area
Roshis fp feat became piccolos casual feat
This speed and power can be replicated in the same tier. Therefore it cannot be an outlier by definition of the word. Than we have raditz dodging special beam cannon and thr gap between travel and reaction speed presented since the beginning of db with roshi training goku and krillin.
And bukujutsus noted weakness in speed(goku noted it against tien) and strength(guidebook and 40 ton incident)
Along with the fact that travel speed is plot convenient and changes but reaction has a chains of superiority because character a>b>c etc.
That being said i believe raditz dodged a light speed attack but couldn't travel near the same speed because roshi could dodge bullets but only run 40mph. Gohan dodged a blast that could go through earth in almost an instant but gohan buu took some time to get to goku and vegeta(for the sake of plot).
I do believe gotenks feat was meant to be light speed portrayal and what we saw on panel wasnt all thr flying he did and that what we saw happened in a second or less. But at the end of the day travel speed goes all over the place and only reaction speed is reliable because of scaling,feats, and character superiority(power scaling reworded)
We have laser dodging feats,point blank explosion escapes etc. For versus battles. If we use linear scaling and travel speed feats( something downplayers like to do) than everything in db is an outlier,bodb goku loses to a chimp and roshi is a city block buster he gets eatem by a cheetah and shot
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A chain of combat speed feats
Goku dodging launches pistol bullet,goku moving out of human sight with almost no effort,krillin and goku jumping into clouds on accident,krillin and roshi fighting in miliseconds,etc.(db has alot so im not gonna do all),goku dodging laser from red ribbon army machine,goku dodging grandpa gohans kamehameha with an after image,roshis moon buster,gokus speed after kami training,piccolos moon buster, raditz after images and speed blitzes on piccolo and goku along with him dodging special beam cannon,nappa keeping up with goku while fighting in a proper state of Mind,death beam deflecting from goku against freeza,Goku and freeza fighting on an exploding namek with enough time for goku to escape,etc.,(imma skip alot),goku dodging cells kamehameha,cells true speed(blitzes the same goku who just dodged that blast but im sure as Hell cell wouldn't fly as fast as that blast),gohan dodging cells death beams,kaoishin saving gohan before hes blasted into space,Gohan saving vegeta from cells blast(either shows inconsistent bukujutsu or close range speed efficiency),etc
With all this it makes sense that in dbs the gods can travel light years in seconds to minutes.

With that being said cell could create a blast that could engulf a solar system(hell even freeza tanked the namek solar system spirit bomb in "the galaxy strikes back" chapter that had three suns to back it up With life forms aaand im sure akira toryama doesn't need to lie about his character, Not that hard to believe in a series where Someone only 50x max stronger than a human can destroy a moon so to Hell With your calcs, until proven wrong cell can bust a solar system. So its Not the hard to believe cell could destroy alot from a solitary position when we note his blast speed and aoe.
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