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was goku stronger than vegeta on android saga ?
Topic Started: Feb 10 2016, 03:01 PM (509 Views)
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when goku fought android 19 he was weaker, most likely because of the illness.
but if goku never had the heart disease, could he win against android 19 ? and was he stronger than vegeta ?
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Piccolo trained with Goku for 3 years leading up to that and he pretty much admitted Vegeta being stronger at the time. I don't think the gap is very large, but Vegeta should be superior.

Without the illness Goku would've destroyed 19.
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Goku slacked. Period

He was training with 2 incompetent fighters. Had he trained with F.Trunks or Veggie, his growth would've surpassed Veggie

As for topic, nope. Veggie was stronger
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Feb 10 2016, 03:13 PM
Goku slacked. Period

He was training with 2 incompetent fighters. Had he trained with F.Trunks or Veggie, his growth would've surpassed Veggie

As for topic, nope. Veggie was stronger
2 incompetent fighting partners is better than no fighting partners.
sparing is very important in training martial arts.
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Feb 10 2016, 03:20 PM
Billa
Feb 10 2016, 03:13 PM
Goku slacked. Period

He was training with 2 incompetent fighters. Had he trained with F.Trunks or Veggie, his growth would've surpassed Veggie

As for topic, nope. Veggie was stronger
2 incompetent fighting partners is better than no fighting partners.
I disagree. Goku had to pace himself to train with Piccolo and Gohan. Can't make a lot of gains if you aren't pushing yourself to your limit.

Vegeta had no restraints. He damn-near killed himself and it gave him a temporary lead over Goku.
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Yeah, Vegeta was stated to be stronger...but I doubt it's by a lot.

As for Kakarrot's training partners...he should've grabbed Gohan and took him to the ROSAT and pushed Gohan like he did during the Cell arc. However, if he had done that, then we wouldn't hape gotten Perfect Cell from the sheer beat-down Kakarrot and Gohan would've given No. 16-20. Then Cell would've gotten even worse and Kami wouldn't have to merge with Piccolo either.
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Goku would have easily killed 19 without the illness. Piccolo himself noted that Goku was weaker than he should be when fighting 19. This was soon revealed to be due to the illness.

Even with the illness, Goku was wrecking 19. The tables only turned once Goku wasted his energy firing a Kamehameha, which 19 absorbed. Not only did firing that Kamehameha make Goku lose his energy, but it increased the strain on his body that the illness was already causing, which made him completely vulnerable to 19, who had powered up.
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Piccolo said Vegeta was stronger, and he'd most likely know what Goku's max strength is, considering he trained with him for 3 years.
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Feb 10 2016, 03:23 PM
highwaysaiyan
Feb 10 2016, 03:20 PM
Billa
Feb 10 2016, 03:13 PM
Goku slacked. Period

He was training with 2 incompetent fighters. Had he trained with F.Trunks or Veggie, his growth would've surpassed Veggie

As for topic, nope. Veggie was stronger
2 incompetent fighting partners is better than no fighting partners.
I disagree. Goku had to pace himself to train with Piccolo and Gohan. Can't make a lot of gains if you aren't pushing yourself to your limit.

Vegeta had no restraints. He damn-near killed himself and it gave him a temporary lead over Goku.
you dont have to push yourself to the limit to improve. as a person who used to train kung fu, i know sparing is always helpful, even with lower level than you.
strength training is completely different. but what i do know is that vegeta's training (pushing to the limit and higher) is extremely dangerous and not efficient. even goku said to vegeta that hurting yourself isnt helpful, sometimes rest is better.
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Billa
Feb 10 2016, 03:13 PM
He was training with 2 incompetent fighters.
Are you seriously calling Piccolo incompetent?
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i know sparing is always helpful, even with lower level than you.


I didn't say it wasn't.

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but what i do know is that vegeta's training (pushing to the limit and higher) is extremely dangerous and not efficient.


It was more efficient than Goku's considering he caught and surpassed him.
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