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| Dankness Lava | Feb 11 2016, 10:34 PM Post #46 |
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To humble Gotenks. The kid was acting like his poop don't stink. Boo wanted to show the kid that he's the terror of the universe. |
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| * Yu Narukami | Feb 11 2016, 10:45 PM Post #47 |
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Izanagi!
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We've got a statement from Piccolo and a statement from Trunks. If contradictions appear when you take a certain interpretation, you see if any other interpretations are better. A) You assume that Boo was actually that powerful all along and that Trunks and Piccolo are wrong. You also run into the problem of how Base Gotenks survived at all against Evil Boo. B) You assume that Boo powered up several times over the course of that fight. You don't contradict character statements and the fact that both Base Gotenks and SSJ Gotenks were fighting fairly similarly against Boo makes sense. |
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| Zoom | Feb 11 2016, 10:52 PM Post #48 |
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The funny thing is Evil Buu didn't take Gotenks seriously at all until Gotenks post transformed Ssj1 and started to use his ghost thingy. This is what I don't get, why would Buu need to power up if base Gotenks presents no danger? You can make a case for Buu slowly increasing when Gotenks transformed and his attacks started to do damage, but base Gotenks did absolutely zero. |
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| * Yu Narukami | Feb 11 2016, 10:57 PM Post #49 |
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Izanagi!
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Sure, you could argue that. Piccolo and Trunks make their statements before Gotenks forms and starts fighting Boo, and unless you think that they couldn't feel anything from Boo at all, they had to be basing their statements on something. Trunks and Piccolo sense Initial Evil Boo on the lookout before the kids are shoved into the RoSaT to train, and that's the Boo they're basing their statements on. Do you think that Initial Evil Boo was > SSJ Gotenks (Post-RoSaT)? If so, why did Trunks and Piccolo state otherwise. |
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| Zoom | Feb 11 2016, 11:07 PM Post #50 |
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Well Piccolo already sensed Evil Buu as he showed at the lookout and made a comment saying the boys as of now stand no chance, but Piccolo was focused where as the boys just woke up and was half asleep walking to the rosat. Yeah, there is a slight chance the boys could have sensed Evil Buu at the lookout when Buu stepped on Chichi, is this the place where people say the boys sensed Evil Buu? I don't know when Evil Buu powered, so I have Evil Buu initial > Ssj1 Gotenks post as Piccolo stated after Buu broke out of Gotenks donut, "he's just too powerful". Also, Piccolo corrected himself after observing base Gotenks performance saying he might not have a chance. |
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| + Pyrus | Feb 11 2016, 11:34 PM Post #51 |
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The only glitch in this is when the boys see Boo, they don't make any comment about his power. They just say he looks different. You'd think they'd be scared s***less if this newer version of Boo was a mile ahead of the last one and could take down their fusion.
Edited by Pyrus, Feb 11 2016, 11:34 PM.
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| * Yu Narukami | Feb 11 2016, 11:37 PM Post #52 |
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Izanagi!
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Trunks saw Initial Evil Boo and knew that Fat Boo didn't exist anymore. We know that Initial Evil Boo >/>> Fat Boo, as Piccolo freaks out and goes to throw Goten and Trunks in the RoSaT as soon as he properly senses his ki. Why wouldn't Goten and Trunks have sensed Initial Evil Boo's ki? Do you have an incredibly low SSJ multiplier? We don't see Evil Boo power up between fighting Base Gotenks and SSJ Gotenks, so unless you believe that Boo powered up without a visual indicator (which I do), you must have a tiny gap between Base Gotenks and SSJ Gotenks, as Base Gotenks wouldn't be able to last even a minute against an opponent who was stronger than his SSJ self. |
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| Zoom | Feb 12 2016, 12:07 AM Post #53 |
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I have no problem accepting Piccolo and the boys were talking about Initial Evil Buu.. Okay, let's go with option 2 where the boys (or specifically Trunks) were talking about Initial Evil Buu. First up, if you say Buu powered up, where? Where is the indication or dialogue suggesting this? If you can't provide any, then isn't it just your opinion? Because if Initial Evil Buu didn't power or you can't provide any solid evidence then the feats over shadows what were said because of point #1 and point #3. Points: 1. Trunks says they think base Gotenks post can be equal to the version they sensed at the lookout. If there's no proof of a power up then the statement from Trunks is wrong as proven by the fight = Gotenks post is not equal to initial Evil Buu. Which is my whole point of people overrating him. This ties with #3. 2. Goten claims if they change into (assuming Ssj3 Gotenks or he could just mean Ssj1) they can defeat him immediately. This statement from Goten can used as true because what Ssj3 Gotenks showed against Evil Buu when he was fighting serious. There's no contradiction here. 3. Piccolo after witnessing Gotenks base thought he might stand a chance, but due to base Gotenks performance retracted his statement saying he might not stand a chance. This goes with point #4. 4. Base Gotenks vs Initial Evil Buu is self explanatory as I provided scans showing how one sided the fight is. It's up to you to provide evidence showing where Buu powered up? An magic secret silent power up is not evidence as I've pointed throughout the manga publication characters have noted there was an increase i.e Frieza saying he's going to use 50% or Krillin saying Cell has much more hidden power or Cell increased his speed against Goku. So, if Piccolo withdraw his previous statement about base Gotenks having a chance, where does that leave base Gotenks power? And yes, for fusions I have a smaller multiplier i know this is just an opinion, but I feel from the explanation given from Goku that Metamorans were weak people, but because of fusion dance they become someone really strong. I don't think Saiyjins biology impacts the fusion that much as in multipliers. @Nagito Komaeda @Pyrus Let discuss this in numbers; What is your numbers for - Initial Evil Buu at the lookout - Evil Buu against Ssj3 Gotenks - Base Gotenks Post - Trunks and Goten base and Ssj Post also if you don't mind, what are you using for fusion dance? Edited by Zoom, Feb 12 2016, 12:34 AM.
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| FutureProtagonist | Feb 12 2016, 01:29 AM Post #54 |
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But he would never have said that in the first place unless Gotenks had powered up. His performance against Boo hardly even matters. |
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| Zoom | Feb 12 2016, 01:40 AM Post #55 |
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Gotenks powering up was never the issue, it's him powering to initial Evil Buu level in his base form, which there was no sign of any power up as Buu just let him attack all he wants. So unless you can show me of a power up, why go against what was shown in the fight between Base Gotenks vs Evil Buu? People keep on saying there's a distinction between initial and Evil Buu and that Evil Buu somehow powered up, in the scans he was just letting Gotenks hit him. Unless somebody can provide a scan where Buu powered up, then Trunks saying he thinks base Gotenks post can equal him is false. Wouldn't you say? Edited by Zoom, Feb 12 2016, 01:41 AM.
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