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Gotenks is overrated
Yes 11 (55%)
No 9 (45%)
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Gotenks is overrated
Topic Started: Feb 10 2016, 11:23 AM (4,203 Views)
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Gotenks being cocky and thought he could defeat Fat Buu in his base = he was dead wrong.
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Gotenks after de-powering from Sssj3 to base is scared pooless and doesn't even try to fight Evil Buu = so mcuh for base Gotenks post rosat having a chance against Buu. The image below proves base Gotenks wants no part of Buu, he was all talk besides his Ssj3 which was the results from rosat training.
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This proves Gotenks needs Ssj3 to deal with Evil Buu and every other form is useless.
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Feats > dialogue... at the end of the day base Gotenks did nothing to show that he could mess with Buu, he got beaten up fat and his punches did absolutely nothing to Buu inside the rosat.

What do you guys think, is Gotenks overrated?
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Base Gotenks obviously couldn't beat Super Boo.

And yes, Gotenks is overrated. Very annoying and one-dimensional.

The biggest problem with him is that his fusees (Goten and present Trunks) never had any real depth, so it was uninteresting to see them fuse. What made Goku and Vegeta fusing interesting was that they were characters we actually got to know. By the time they fused, they had both been in the story for a long time and were fleshed out as their own characters. Making their fusion more interesting was that they were fierce rivals; their rivalry had been developed over the course of the series ever since their first battle in the Saiyan saga. Seeing two rivals you actually got to know put their differences aside to fuse is exciting.

But Goten and present Trunks? They hadn't been in the story for long when they fused (well, technically, present Trunks had been in the story for a while by that point, but he was just a baby for most of that, which obviously doesn't count. There was absolutely nothing to him when he was a baby); they weren't adequately fleshed out as their own characters. Making matters worse is how overpowered they already were at that point; they were able to turn Super Saiyan right off the bat ... for no reason. There was zero explanation as to how they could turn Super Saiyan so easily. Seeing two overpowered characters you never really got to know fuse is unexciting.

IMO, Future Trunks should have come back in the Boo arc and fused with Gohan. Their fusion would be known as Gohanks and have the same design as Xeno Gotenks from Dragon Ball Heroes:
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Gohan and Future Trunks had actual depth to them, so I think them fusing would have been fine.
Edited by Scotty_Rogers, Feb 10 2016, 01:04 PM.
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Is this a joke post? You realise that people only think base Gotenks was equal to/stronger than initial Super Boo right? No one actually thinks base Gotenks can beat Super Boo at full power.
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Billa
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Mutual feeling pal

Base Gotenks couldnt do s*** against Fat Boo, while SSJ3 Goku & even SSJ2 Majin Vegeta performed comparatively better. Talking abt anime, cuz manga's Base Gotenks/Fat Boo fight was off-screen.

Even as SSJ (post-ROSAT training), he was at Super Boo's mercy & EXCEPT his KamiKaze Ghost Attack, none of his moves phased the Majin

Only as SSJ3 did he somewhat fared better, that too at last few minutes b4 difusing. Even then, I consider Full Power SSJ3 Gotenks = Considerably Suppressed Super Boo

Which basically supports the OP. Yeah, the fused kid was overrated

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Overrated in regards to power or as a character in general? Power-wise...

SSJ3 Gotenks >= Super Boo > SSJ2 Gotenks > SSJ Gotenks > Base Gotenks post-RoSaT > SSJ Gotenks pre-RoSaT > SSJ3 Goku > Fat Boo.

I haven't really seen anyone overrate him there. Character-wise, I see a lot more negatives reactions than positive, so I don't think Gotenks is overrated at all.
Edited by Slifer, Feb 10 2016, 01:20 PM.
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Feb 10 2016, 12:57 PM
Is this a joke post? You realise that people only think base Gotenks was equal to/stronger than initial Super Boo right? No one actually thinks base Gotenks can beat Super Boo at full power.
Piccolo sure as hell thought he'd manage to pull it off with the story proving him dead wrong.
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ekrolo2
Feb 10 2016, 01:23 PM
Clearin
Feb 10 2016, 12:57 PM
Is this a joke post? You realise that people only think base Gotenks was equal to/stronger than initial Super Boo right? No one actually thinks base Gotenks can beat Super Boo at full power.
Piccolo sure as hell thought he'd manage to pull it off with the story proving him dead wrong.
What are you trying to say? I already told you, no one thinks base Gotenks can beat Super Boo at full power. People think base Gotenks was around Boo's strength when Super Boo was first "born". This is the Boo that Trunks and Piccolo were using when comparing base Gotenks power. But then Boo revealed he had a greater power than that.
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I just don't understand how many times and Threads we're going to have this same debate...

It's stated Post Base Gotenks>Pre SSJ Gotenks and it's never contradicted.

I guess some people believe if it's brought up enough times, it'll magically change to something else.

This is beyond ridiculous at this point, to the point where it's almost a trolling argument.

Not trying to be a jerk about this, but there's only so many times you can see the same argument be debunked before you get annoyed by said argument.
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If this is just about Gotenks being an awful character than I won't argue. But I swear to Whis if this is about trying to claim Base Gotenks (Post) is weaker than SSJ Gotenks (Pre) I will unhesitatingly drop kick a small orphan.
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I won't lie, Gotenks is annoying as heck...but just because he's annoying doesn't make his power statements untrue.

If that's the case, then it's a bias argument, but if it's a bias argument then the argument doesn't hold any ground because it isn't an objective one.
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Saying Gotenks is overrated as a character is an even bigger lie than saying he's overrated power-wise. Most of the fandom seems to hate Gotenks at worst, or just tolerates him at best.
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Yeah...and in doing so most people tend to under power him by intentionally dismissing and ignoring direct and un-contradicted statements about his power.

Haha, it seems Gotenks is the reverse of Broli.

This is why I was hoping to see Gotenks in GT, I had hoped he would've been redeemed for the Boo arc. It's still not too late, he could be in Super but I'm not holding my breath.
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I might be in the minority that actually doesn't hate Gotenks.

But I swear if this is a thread attempting to nerf Gotenks....
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Nerfing Gotenks on this site hasn't been tolerated since the great purge of 2012. That's probably why there isn't any real discussion on him except from new members and people trying to stir the pot (or get some +1s). He's more likely to be w***ed here, as opposed to sites like Kanzenshuu where they take a much more lax and, in my opinion, lazy and somewhat biased approach to the character, at least strength-wise.

I've always said it, I hate Gotenks. He's useless and grates on my nerves, except ironically in the newer material, but that's probably because he shows up for 30 seconds and then he's gone again. That said, I do give him credit where credit is due.
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Clearin
Feb 10 2016, 12:57 PM
Is this a joke post? You realise that people only think base Gotenks was equal to/stronger than initial Super Boo right? No one actually thinks base Gotenks can beat Super Boo at full power.


Saberoph
Feb 10 2016, 01:55 PM
I just don't understand how many times and Threads we're going to have this same debate...

It's stated Post Base Gotenks>Pre SSJ Gotenks and it's never contradicted.

I guess some people believe if it's brought up enough times, it'll magically change to something else.

This is beyond ridiculous at this point, to the point where it's almost a trolling argument.

Not trying to be a jerk about this, but there's only so many times you can see the same argument be debunked before you get annoyed by said argument.


Dark Matter
Feb 10 2016, 02:54 PM
If this is just about Gotenks being an awful character than I won't argue. But I swear to Whis if this is about trying to claim Base Gotenks (Post) is weaker than SSJ Gotenks (Pre) I will unhesitatingly drop kick a small orphan.


Yusuke
Feb 10 2016, 06:45 PM
I might be in the minority that actually doesn't hate Gotenks.

But I swear if this is a thread attempting to nerf Gotenks....


Are you guys kidding me? Yes I'm trying to nerf him but don't worry i won't replace your mighty Gotenks below Ssj3 Goku. Sheesh... the backlash someone can get just from raising doubt, especially only from dialogue where Piccolo said he believed Gotenks might have a chance then he said he might not.

I have no doubt Gotenks(as the boys as well) increased from 7 days of training inside the rosat. A full hour was suppose to be 15 days, but Buu was inpatient and they only had less than 30 mins on the outside which should equal to 7.5 days + 6 hours of rest.

These scans will show Trunks thinking base Gotenks is close to Fat Buu as he stated they can fight him till a standstill and Trunks outright stated they are equal. But the context shows Trunks is comparing Gotenks to Fat. Along with that Piccolo at first thinking Gotenks might stand a chance after witnessing the fusion performed perfectly and the training has paid off for Gotenks. But as the fight starts Piccolo again questions Gotenks chance in his base as Gotenks does absolutely nothing to Evil Buu, all his spinning kick, rolling thunder punches, wild boar, ultra missiles.

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It wasn't until Gotenks transformed and his attacks started to have some effect on Buu, but not much as Buu was able to break out of his donut easily as he was toying with Gotenks. Silly Toriyama humor i guess.

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I only have a problem when people overrate him and make him million times stronger than Ssj3 Goku. If you think that you have to explain why Kid Buu + South Kai is something like a million times in power since Ultra Buff Buu > Evil Buu > which is millions of times stronger than Goku.

It's really weird how people jump straight to defending Gotenks superiority, as in fact I have Pre Gotenks > Ssj3 Goku anyways just not humongous.
Edited by Zoom, Feb 11 2016, 12:24 AM.
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