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What is king Kai doing?
Topic Started: Feb 7 2016, 08:18 PM (1,837 Views)
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Feb 7 2016, 08:18 PM
In trunks's timeline I mean. Why can't he contact new namek and say get the dragon balls ready and start wishing back the z fighters? Do you think it's possible?
he isnt allowed (or want) to intervene.
the gods intervene only when there is a threat to the universe or to the gods themselves. but a simple feud or an annihilation of a species isnt one of their concern.
Edited by highwaysaiyan, Feb 10 2016, 03:56 PM.
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Feb 10 2016, 03:56 PM
Ssj3vegito96
Feb 7 2016, 08:18 PM
In trunks's timeline I mean. Why can't he contact new namek and say get the dragon balls ready and start wishing back the z fighters? Do you think it's possible?
he isnt allowed (or want) to intervene.
the gods intervene only when there is a threat to the universe or to the gods themselves. but a simple feud or an annihilation of a species isnt one of their concern.
Didn't stop King Kai from not telling Goku to f*** off when he asks him for help in locating New Namek in the actual series. I mean really, it would take 5 minutes of his time to do it. The future timeline doesn't work, it can't happen the way it does. The heroes have too many ways to squirm their way to victory for anything like the apocalyptic future to happen.
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Feb 8 2016, 11:27 PM
Yeah, but you could argue that God could have informed Kaio.
You mean Kami? He was already dead, most likely.
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Feb 10 2016, 04:03 PM
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Feb 8 2016, 11:27 PM
Yeah, but you could argue that God could have informed Kaio.
You mean Kami? He was already dead, most likely.
No, I mean God, because that's what Kami translates to.
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Feb 10 2016, 06:38 PM
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Feb 8 2016, 11:27 PM
Yeah, but you could argue that God could have informed Kaio.
You mean Kami? He was already dead, most likely.
No, I mean God, because that's what Kami translates to.
But... they're the same thing... :huh:
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Yeah, but God sounds cooler. Anyway, it doesn't really matter if God is dead, he should still have a body, and the ability to contact Kaio.
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The Androids weren't really a threat to any other planet, much less the entire Galaxy. Even if they had the strength to do so, they seemed perfectly content with staying on Earth. When it came to Freeza and Cell though, they posed a bigger threat. Freeza's name was known throughout the Galaxy and Cell had the power to wipe out countless planets (and the personality to do so as well).

As for the Saiyans, he didn't directly interfere, he just trained Goku and sent him on his way.
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Feb 10 2016, 06:53 PM
Yeah, but God sounds cooler. Anyway, it doesn't really matter if God is dead, he should still have a body, and the ability to contact Kaio.
He's not God, he's a god. Better to use Kami imo.
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Kami is the word for God, therefore his name translates to God with a capital G. Seriously, look at the Strength Checker.
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Chapter: 164, P7.1-3
Goku: “Amazin’…Mister Popo, you really are incredible! That’s why I couldn’t beat you!”
Popo: “Heh, well…Mister Popo has learned a whole, whole lot from God. That’s why I’m great.”
Goku: “So this ‘God’ guy is even more amazin’!?”
Popo: “Of course. God is far, far more incredible.”

Chapter: 164, P12.6-7, P13.1
God: “Piccolo and I were once one…a single gifted martial artist. Eventually, I learned of God’s existence and came here, just like you. Unfortunately, even gods die. I wanted to become God’s new successor. However, no matter how much time passed, God would not deign to recognize me…Even though he himself trusted that there was none more magnificent than I…”

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As for the Saiyans, he didn't directly interfere, he just trained Goku and sent him on his way.

Yeah, but he still helped them out with the location of Namek.
Edited by ThePrinceOfSaiyans, Feb 10 2016, 07:55 PM.
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Feb 8 2016, 11:27 PM
You could easily rectify that limitation by assuming Dende just upgraded Shenlong prior to the events of Resurrection F.
Funny, I actually incorporated this exact idea in my fanfic story lol. Though in that case, Dende creates an entirely new set of Dragonballs to replace the pre-existing ones.

OT: Maybe there would be no way of knowing about New Namek? The scan Clearin provided helps support that argument somewhat.

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Feb 10 2016, 07:52 PM
Kami is the word for God, therefore his name translates to God with a capital G. Seriously, look at the Strength Checker.
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3. God [#MAO#GOD]
Chapter: 164, P7.1-3
Goku: “Amazin’…Mister Popo, you really are incredible! That’s why I couldn’t beat you!”
Popo: “Heh, well…Mister Popo has learned a whole, whole lot from God. That’s why I’m great.”
Goku: “So this ‘God’ guy is even more amazin’!?”
Popo: “Of course. God is far, far more incredible.”

Chapter: 164, P12.6-7, P13.1
God: “Piccolo and I were once one…a single gifted martial artist. Eventually, I learned of God’s existence and came here, just like you. Unfortunately, even gods die. I wanted to become God’s new successor. However, no matter how much time passed, God would not deign to recognize me…Even though he himself trusted that there was none more magnificent than I…”

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As for the Saiyans, he didn't directly interfere, he just trained Goku and sent him on his way.

Yeah, but he still helped them out with the location of Namek.
I know that, but really Kami isn't a real god. He's really just the guardian of Earth.
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Feb 10 2016, 07:55 PM
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Feb 10 2016, 07:52 PM
Kami is the word for God, therefore his name translates to God with a capital G. Seriously, look at the Strength Checker.
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3. God [#MAO#GOD]
Chapter: 164, P7.1-3
Goku: “Amazin’…Mister Popo, you really are incredible! That’s why I couldn’t beat you!”
Popo: “Heh, well…Mister Popo has learned a whole, whole lot from God. That’s why I’m great.”
Goku: “So this ‘God’ guy is even more amazin’!?”
Popo: “Of course. God is far, far more incredible.”

Chapter: 164, P12.6-7, P13.1
God: “Piccolo and I were once one…a single gifted martial artist. Eventually, I learned of God’s existence and came here, just like you. Unfortunately, even gods die. I wanted to become God’s new successor. However, no matter how much time passed, God would not deign to recognize me…Even though he himself trusted that there was none more magnificent than I…”

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As for the Saiyans, he didn't directly interfere, he just trained Goku and sent him on his way.

Yeah, but he still helped them out with the location of Namek.
I know that, but really Kami isn't a real god. He's really just the guardian of Earth.
No, he's God of Earth. This whole guardian business was a dub thing.
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Born the child of a Dragon Clan Namekian. His real name is unknown. Around Age 250, due to a weather anomaly he escaped Planet Namek and came to Earth. After training as a martial artist, he apprenticed himself to the previous God, and succeeded in becoming the God of Earth after casting off the evil portions of himself. From then on he served as God of Earth until merging with Piccolo and abandoning his throne in Age 767.

If Super happens to contradict Kami being a god in some fashion, I.E. no divine Ki(even though it appears he does since Dende was able to sense Beerus), then it's just that, a contradiction.
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Guardian sounds better given the circumstances happening later. Next to Kaio-sama and the Kais, he's no god.
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I think he's in the same ballpark.

Even though Shin people are mostly the beings who become gods, I think any other species is capable.

The child of Kataz, a Namekian, managed to make that happen. Just like Kaioshin, he's a "god" as well. He's just a lower god, who was chosen to oversee Earth.
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Feb 10 2016, 08:25 PM
Guardian sounds better given the circumstances happening later. Next to Kaio-sama and the Kais, he's no god.
And next to Beerus or even Kaioshin, Kaio is no god. There exists a god hierarchy, and the God of Earth is just at the bottom of the list.
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