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Who's the best?
Robotnik 6 (66.7%)
Eggman 1 (11.1%)
Both 0 (0%)
Neither 2 (22.2%)
Total Votes: 9
Robotnik or Eggman?
Topic Started: Feb 7 2016, 10:42 AM (635 Views)
Darker
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This thread includes stuff from a character who has appeared in both shows and games, but since his first appearance was in a videogame, his thread should go into the video games section.

Which one do you prefer, of the "two" incarnations of this villain? The more serious and sinister yet hammy Doctor Robotnik that was popular before they changed his appearance into what he is today(plus the name) or the not-so-vile, not-so-funny and incompetent generic mad scientist who somehow sticks to having the Eggman insult?

I'm mainly speaking of AoStH/SatAm Robotnik and Current Eggman(Sonic Adventure 2-Sonic Boom)

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So yeah, which one do you prefer.
For me, I think it's pretty obvious.

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Definitely Robotnik. Eggman just sounds generic, IMO. I think Robotnik actually sounds creative and distinct.

EDIT: Oh, you mean the incarnations of the character, not just the names? Overall, I say Eggman (the one that appears in the games). SatAM's incarnation was too dark. What a lot of people don't get that is that the character is supposed to be goofy. From the beginning, that's what he was; a fat scientist who puts small animals inside of robots and runs away cowardly every time he is defeated isn't someone to take very seriously. His 1997 Sonic Jam character profile also confirms him to be goofy ("He acts like a child, regardless of his I.Q."), and it came before they changed his name into Eggman:

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The character has mostly stayed true to his goofy self in the games, which is good.
Edited by Scotty_Rogers, Feb 10 2016, 01:02 PM.
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Robotnik. I hate the Eggman name and I prefer the darker aspect of the character.
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What would happen if both met?

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Neither Sonic X Eggman nor Sonic Boom Eggman are the same as game Eggman, you know.
Edited by Scotty_Rogers, Feb 10 2016, 03:37 PM.
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They're practically the same, especially with Boom.
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No, they're not. Similar, yes, but fairly different.

From what I've seen of Sonic X, Eggman isn't all that evil. He's even shown to be afraid of hurting and killing other beings, and gets upset when a creation of his does. For an example, in episode 26, Eggman was clearly upset when his E-99 Egg Emperor robot was killing G.U.N. soldiers and beating up Sonic; he even tried to get it to stop. In episode 52, Eggman gets scared when one of his missiles is about to hit and kill Tails; he even begs Decoe to blow it up before it can hit Tails.

In most of the mainline games, Eggman tries to kill Sonic and his friends literally all the time. He's never afraid of hurting anyone. You're also wrong when you say Eggman wasn't vile in Sonic Adventure 2; that was easily the darkest and grimiest he's ever been in the games:



Holds Amy at gunpoint and threatens to kill her, threatens the president to his face that he will blow up his country, attempts to kill Sonic by ejecting him into space, attempts to blow up Earth with the Eclipse Cannon and sounds like an utter sociopath whenever he talks. This was all very OOC for Eggman. He's not supposed to be this dark, grimy villain. As I said before, he's supposed to be goofy; that's how he was in the old games. He shouldn't have qualms about killing people, but he should still be goofy. Honestly, SatAM was trash; it took itself too seriously and deluded people on how Robotnik/Eggman is supposed to be.

And also, Eggman was always his name in Japan. His name was only changed elsewhere.
Edited by Scotty_Rogers, Feb 10 2016, 10:46 PM.
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But he WAS a bit goofy in SatAM aswell. His orgasmic voice complemented the fact that he killed a bunch of people, plus his design is far superior to other Eggmans, as he's just too weird-looking in the games. And the name "Eggman" doesn't sound intimidating enough, Robotnik sounds cooler, and it wouldn't make sense if Robotnik allowed himself to be called Eggman, because that's a dumb insult.

Even the Robotnik from AoStH is funnier and also more intimidating than any other Eggman, just look at what he does during the Quest for the Emeralds Arc. He tries to kill Scratch and Grounder and achieves ultimate power, sending Sonic and Tails to the beginning of the Universe, seconds before the Big Bang happened. No, I'm not exaggerating.
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Anything Pre-Sonic Heroes Eggman (minus a few select points) from the games is fine by me. Although I suppose technically 2006 Eggman also fits in that line as well. It's been too long since I've seen Satam Robotnik in action.

I simply hate how current portrayals of Eggman have turned him into such a whiny, idiotic man whose basic premise is to be the butt of the joke. Versions like SA and SA2 built Eggman up as an eccentric but ultimately very competent person. If Sonic Adventure didn't, SA2 really built Eggman up as an amazing villain. He had a great voice actor, one of the single most badass themes ever. He was was kicking a***, taking down entire militarys, blowing people into space, blowing up the moon, threatening to kill Amy, you know it.

And it didn't stop him from having a few quirky moments as well. There's a point when he tries to take the Master Emerald when Knuckles stops him and he just kind of keels over with a light "drats" and that subtlety is so much better than when the later games try force the humor on us.

Which may not be so bad, if it wasn't for the fact that later games feel the need to make him incompetent. SA2 Eggman would never have been shown getting comically beaten by Charmy as he did in Heroes. He would never have jumped off a cliff and realize he forgot to put fuel in his jet pack. Where as Lost World's Eggman gets basically tossed aside because he loses a single conch, SA2 Eggman single handed kicked the a*** of an entire military base and cruiser before blowing it up.

That's the Eggman I want. I want the Eggman who can be hammy and eccentric but also a competent threat as he's been shown. Much like how Bowser in many cases is treated as a very hammy and eccentric character, but he's also a competent villain that's treated with the respect of a villain and not the butt of a joke.
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