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Why did they do this to Freeza?
Topic Started: Feb 6 2016, 04:59 AM (982 Views)
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Freeza, the tyrant, the conqueror, the guy who blew up planets before it was cool in DBZ, Freeza, the best villain of the DBZ franchise according to most people. He was the most relevant and important baddie of any arc, and remains one of the best parts of the series, even. I personally admit that's the truth, and I don't even like Freeza, though I respect the character. Toei managed to handle the Freeza Saga really well in the anime, but for some reason, every time they used Freeza after this, he was a complete joke.

And this didn't start with the movies and GT, Toriyama started it, but, to his credit, it was for a good reason. The only reason Mecha-Freeza was a thing in the manga was to show how powerful Trunks was as a Super Saiyan, and many people agree that it was a good way to start a new arc. However, everything with Freeza after this goes down.

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Remember Pikkon? He was cool, right? Yeah, he was. But when we saw him beat Perfect Cell so easily, then what was the point of him taking out Freeza(and Cold)? They were no threats at all. This wasn't to show off his power, this was merely to make Pikkon look cool as he was going to become Goku's rival in heaven. Just makes you wonder who was the strong dude that killed Pikkon.

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Let's look at the movies. Freeza has a pretty good presentation in the Fusion Reborn movie. He even calls upon an army of warriors, some of which surprisingly are stronger than Freeza himself, which shows how much of a great leader Freeza is, if he can command and control such a powerful horde.

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You think he's finally going to get a moment of glory, but then...

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Goddamnit, give the poor guy a break! It's hard enough for him to exist since he's bald and everyone makes fun of him, but don't take away his dignity as Z's most classic villain.

After that, we get to see him in GT. Where it's even worse, because we don't get a cool moment of him (aside from that combo attack between Freeza and Cell), instead we get him with this face.

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Not gonna lie, that's pretty funny, but it doesn't really work for Freeza, outside of shipping material. Cell's fangirls will be pleased.
And then we have...

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This... thing.
As I said, I don't like Freeza, but come on, they're not even trying to make him menacing are they?

Ah, how the mighty have fallen.

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Freeza was arguably the most important villain. Killing him repeatedly holds more impact than killing someone who was alive for a week like Cell
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Yeah what lazerbem said.

It says a lot when someone kills Frieza. Trunks killing someone like Frieza is a great way to showcase how powerful trunks and by extension super saiyans are
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Don't go dissin' the majesty that is Golden Freeza. The planet trade emperor has never looked so regal.
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Feb 6 2016, 05:19 AM
Don't go dissin' the majesty that is Golden Freeza. The planet trade emperor has never looked so regal.
The fact that he is colored the same shade as urine really hurts him though. So many easy jokes to make about him.
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Next to Gohan, Frieza is the most poorly handled character in DragonBall history. Period

Even inconsequential filler characters gets royal treatment compared to those 2

I f**kin hated Frieza myself, Darker. Anime Frieza to be honest.

Manga Frieza was great. Toriyama handled his character very well & galactic tyrant/Warlord impression came off lookin regal

The moment he was chopped by Future Trunks to recent FNF, goddamnit.

They just gotta make him a buffon to help elevate the heroes.

Now when you think abt it

1. Came as Mecha Frieza. Uses to hype/elevate F.Trunks

2. KO'd by Pikkon (just to highlight Pikkon's superior position in OtherWorld & hyping the possible match with Goku)

3. Fusion Reborn cameo. One-shot by Gohan just to elevate the Great Saiyaman's relevance

Dafuq? Thank god Cell & Kid Buu are spared frm these miseries
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Feb 6 2016, 05:24 AM
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Feb 6 2016, 05:19 AM
Don't go dissin' the majesty that is Golden Freeza. The planet trade emperor has never looked so regal.
The fact that he is colored the same shade as urine really hurts him though. So many easy jokes to make about him.
So, does that make him piss weak? :p

Seriously though, yeah Frieza as far as I'm concerned is the most important Villain in DBZ. No Frieza, no SSJ...of course you could say No Vegeta, means no Namek.
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Freeza is definitely the best villain in terms of story and significance. Despite Toriyama making up that Goku was a Saiyan in the middle of the story, he still somehow made it feel all natural and like the series really had been leading up to Freeza. Find out the main character is an alien, then bring out a villain directly relating to his past, as if he'd been there all along.

Even Vegeta had very little connection to Goku, if they weren't both Saiyans he'd be as random as Cell and Boo. But Freeza just felt so personal. Goku had never met him, yet Toriyama wrote in such a way that it felt like fate that Goku was SUPPOSED to fight Freeza and avenge the Saiyans.

Golden Freeza was his best treatment since his original defeat on Namek. Mecha Freeza he was at least a threat until Trunks came along, but after that he was used as a gag basically. Just to make fun of how fast the power levels raised in the series.
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Golden Freeza is easily one of the least impacting characters in the series. I suppose its nice to see one DBZs most iconic villain back now at a level stronger than ever. But unlike the original Freeza who was heavily built up along the story, his strengths, weaknesses and ultimate defeat. Golden Freeza and Resurrection F itself is none of that.

Say what you want about his design, i think he's a horrible 2P pallet with a design only slightly more original than Frosty Blue Goku. But one cant deny that as already said, there's nothing special about his character or movie.

You could easily replace Golden Freeza with "Golden Gero who attains a new golden brain and comes back to seek revenge against Goku only to die at the end of the movie. You could replace Golden Freeza with literally anyone and that's why I don't like the movie. While Batlte of Gods I thought attempted to add something new, to truly build up on the world and introduce interesting characters that weren't complete complete cardboard cutouts.

RoF instead is just the equivalent of a fan fiction...Toei's usual fan fiction.
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My other problem with Golden Freeza is that he shouldn't be so powerful. Freeza was fine as he was back in the day, he didn't need to come back.
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Golden Freeza having the same weakness as 100% Freeza...

What the hell was that about? It felt appropriate when it happened to Namek Freeza (who never believed he actually needed it), but it seems to undercut the whole point of RF. There's nothing more to RF Freeza (compared to Namek Freeza) except some gold paint and the fact he's not dead.

Resurrection F is an appropriate title for the movie; it even works as a plot synopsis in a pinch. ;)
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I guess you could say they took the piss out of Freeza.

Perhaps part of it is to show, just like real nightmares, they can be overcome and eventually be made light of. Eventually a worse version of the nightmare will come to being, but it can be just like old times. It can be overcome.
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Feb 6 2016, 04:59 AM
And this didn't start with the movies and GT, Toriyama started it, but, to his credit, it was for a good reason. The only reason Mecha-Freeza was a thing in the manga was to show how powerful Trunks was as a Super Saiyan, and many people agree that it was a good way to start a new arc. However, everything with Freeza after this goes down.
No, Freeza was ruined when he came back as Mecha Freeza. Freeza should have never come back after Goku defeated him on Namek. There was plenty of build-up to Goku being the one to defeat Freeza, so if anyone was to kill Freeza, it should have just been Goku. Freeza surviving Goku's blast and an entire planet exploding after using all of his energy in an attempt to kill Goku negates the significance of Goku's victory and is ridiculously OP. Toriyama keeping Freeza alive and bringing him back just to have him be killed immediately by some guy who randomly turned out to be a Super Saiyan is garbage writing. He didn't have to bring back Freeza to show off how strong Trunks was at all. If you think bringing back Freeza was fine to show off how strong Trunks was, then by that logic, you could say the same about all the other times Freeza came back. When Freeza came back to fight Pikkon, you could say it was fine to show off how strong Pikkon was. When Freeza came back in Fusion Reborn, you could say it was fine to show off how strong Gohan was. When Freeza came back in GT, you could say it was fine to show how strong Goku was. When Freeza came back in Resurrection F, you could say it was fine to show off how strong Goku and Vegeta were. No, none of this was fine.
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Feb 6 2016, 07:28 AM
I guess you could say they took the piss out of Freeza.

Perhaps part of it is to show, just like real nightmares, they can be overcome and eventually be made light of. Eventually a worse version of the nightmare will come to being, but it can be just like old times. It can be overcome.
They really did a piss poor job. :cool:

I was really hoping Frieza would power up more, then pretty much make everyone retreat and then they finally find a way to defeat him, or at least something like that.
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