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A character vs...; For when you can't come up with a good match!
Topic Started: Feb 3 2016, 01:52 PM (5,737 Views)
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I've noticed a few of these popping up here and there, so I've decided to create a general thread for when people cannot figure out who is a good match against who. When someone can't think of anyone, they can post it here, and someone could bring up an opponent or a selection of opponents for them to fight. You should also poetically specify what kind of match you want, if you're just looking for someone thematically appropriate to fight in an equal stats, or if you're searching for someone roughly equal in feats, or if what you have in mind is completely different (like a race instead of a fight). It's also recommended to bring up their general abilities or a respect thread so that you have the best chance of finding an opponent for your character.
Note: The idea behind this is that it leads to another thread being created rather than hosting the debate here (so that multiple people can bring up characters at the same time without them being lost in the shuffle of a debate), to clarify in case someone wonders if they should debate here or not.
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Aside the Hulk buster, and Using his first armor(Iron man goes through several armors, no ?) Do you think he an adequate challenge to gray ? he could melt his ice.

Also for spidey, I kinda use the version most people is familiar with.
It's really hard to get fights with popular comic books character, as comic themselves are inconsistent.
One character can destroy a mountain, and in a different issue he can't tackle a building.
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Aside the Hulk buster,


I like how the Thorbuster got ignored there, even though it's FAR superior to the overrated Hulkbuster.
Unless you mentioned it because it's worthless, which... Kinda?

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and Using his first armor


His first armor is absolute garbage. The one from the scan isn't his first, that's his seventh.

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(Iron man goes through several armors, no ?)


I mean, I did say that.

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Do you think he an adequate challenge to gray ? he could melt his ice.


Depends on his speed. If Gray can react fast enough to stop him before he gets to hit him, which may result in pretty bloody results if he can't take such attacks, he could do terrible things to his armor.

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Also for spidey, I kinda use the version most people is familiar with.


Uh... And what version is that? The one from the 90s cartoon? The Maguire Spidey?

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It's really hard to get fights with popular comic books character, as comic themselves are inconsistent.


Except... they're not really.

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One character can destroy a mountain, and in a different issue he can't tackle a building.


You severely underestimate how consistents the writers are and how much they care about their characters' stats.

They aren't manga characters, :p they're very consistent, and if they're not, there will be reasons for it, and if there aren't, it's PIS.
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I'm not so sure Gray's ice could be melted like that. Molding magic ice, maybe. But definitely not his Devil Slaying Ice. It's particularly effective against fire it also seems to be fire resistant based on what was seen. I don't think it can be melted.
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It depends on how strong that fire was.

Iron Man's repulsor blasts can annoy and even hurt some of the toughest dudes in Marvel.
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I like how the Thorbuster got ignored there, even though it's FAR superior to the overrated Hulkbuster.
Unless you mentioned it because it's worthless, which... Kinda?


If the hulkbuster is excluded, then the stronger thorbuster is also excluded.
It's logical, no ? :rofl:

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His first armor is absolute garbage. The one from the scan isn't his first, that's his seventh.


Alright, is each armor stronger than the last ?
Let's use...Model armor 9.

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Depends on his speed. If Gray can react fast enough to stop him before he gets to hit him, which may result in pretty bloody results if he can't take such attacks, he could do terrible things to his armor.


How fast is Iron man in his model 7 and model 9?

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Uh... And what version is that? The one from the 90s cartoon? The Maguire Spidey?


Let's use the one from 60's lol.(It seems to me that it is the most popular.)

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Except... they're not really.

Yes they are. Character death gets retconned, or characters abilities and strengths gets retconned. Sometimes even comics themselves get retconned.
It inconsistent by the simple virtue that there are multiple writers, as opposed to mangas where it's really only one guy doing the story writing.

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You severely underestimate how consistents the writers are and how much they care about their characters' stats.

They aren't manga characters, :p they're very consistent, and if they're not, there will be reasons for it, and if there aren't, it's PIS.


They do try to be consistent, that's true but sometimes it just doesn't stick.
And are you really saying that manga characters are less consistent ? I think Goku is far more consistent than either Hulk or Thor.
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If the hulkbuster is excluded, then the stronger thorbuster is also excluded.
It's logical, no ? :rofl:


Not... really.

I mean, the Hulkbuster is kinda worthless, but the Thorbuster isn't so much.

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His first armor is absolute garbage. The one from the scan isn't his first, that's his seventh.


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Alright, is each armor stronger than the last ?


They're different stat-wise.

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Let's use...Model armor 9.


Stark used that one to fight off Fin Fang Foom.

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Depends on his speed. If Gray can react fast enough to stop him before he gets to hit him, which may result in pretty bloody results if he can't take such attacks, he could do terrible things to his armor.


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How fast is Iron man in his model 7 and model 9?


Hypersonic iirc.


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Uh... And what version is that? The one from the 90s cartoon? The Maguire Spidey?


Let's use the one from 60's lol.(It seems to me that it is the most popular.)


Er... That one would probably win due to toonforce.

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Character death gets retconned,


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No, my friend. Not a single death in comics has ever been retconned, unless the story tailored to the death was something not approved by the editors or other higher ups.

When a character comes back from the dead, that isn't a retcon. Bucky and Jason Todd weren't retconned back into existence, for god's sake.

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or characters abilities


DC's literally only done this once lol

And that was because of a massive event that involved the entire multiverse.

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strengths gets retconned


Through clearly stated upgrades. Not really a "retcon". You're missing the point of the word, which is to rewrite something.

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Sometimes even comics themselves get retconned.


Always with reasonings behind them, my friend. Try to read up on that before saying something like that.

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It inconsistent by the simple virtue that there are multiple writers, as opposed to mangas where it's really only one guy doing the story writing.


Yeah, uh... You would know that if you'd picked up at least one comic, but, the thing is, they're not inconsistent just because they are different writers, that's why power grids exist. That's why the Official Handbook of the Marvel Universe exists. So that writers that aren't that knowledgeable on the characters get to know them better.

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This is the HOTU debate all over again, where you tried to debate about the artifact despite having not even read Marvel: The End, then apologized for it. Don't do this again, please. You're a cool guy.

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And are you really saying that manga characters are less consistent ? I think Goku is far more consistent than either Hulk or Thor.


You cannot be serious with that.

Toriyama was half the time uninterested in what he was writing and he didn't even like some of the main characters he wrote. The artists and writers that do work on Hulk and Thor love the character and try to stay as consistent as they can, and this is impressive given the multiple artists and writers there are over small periods of time.

Goku went from being able to move a 300-ton rock back in the beginning of DB to being unable to wear 40 tons in the Boo Saga. DBZ is frankly among the most inconsistent manga ever, since Toriyama isn't exactly the best of writers and doesn't bother to give explanations. It's his fault for staying away from comedy, which was his biggest strength, but that's getting off topic.

Hulk's inconsistency stems from his rage and the fact that he holds back most of the time. In fact most Marvel characters hold back their strength, mainly those who could cause massive catastrophes across cities, countries or entire planets.
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Even with Iron Man's speed, I'm not sure what he could possibly do to defeat Gray.
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I just showed a scan of Iron Man easily one-shotting a piece of Earth the size of Manhattan in one of his more standard armors.

I asked for specifics on how strong Grey was, but after taking a good look at his respect thread:

https://www.reddit.com/r/respectthreads/comments/3fu0fp/respect_gray_fullbuster_fairy_tail/

Yeah physically speaking Iron Man would be too much for him.
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Yeah, if Gray gets hit by his attacks he's probably done for. But Gray can still freeze Iron Man's attacks.
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Not... really.

I mean, the Hulkbuster is kinda worthless, but the Thorbuster isn't so much.


You fail to understand what I said.
Hulkbuster is weaker than the thorbuster. If the hulkbuster is excluded, then why should we allow a stronger armor ? that's illogical.


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They're different stat-wise.

Alright. Fair enough.

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Hypersonic iirc.

Gray is massively hypersonic. So I think he wins in the speed department.

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Er... That one would probably win due to toonforce.


Alright, what about 90's spidey ?

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No, my friend. Not a single death in comics has ever been retconned, unless the story tailored to the death was something not approved by the editors or other higher ups.

When a character comes back from the dead, that isn't a retcon. Bucky and Jason Todd weren't retconned back into existence, for god's sake
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Dude, isn't there's a quote that says no one stays dead(except Uncle ben) in comics ?
If a character was dead then comes back alive, that isn't a retcon. However, if how a character was killed changes, that is a retcon.

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DC's literally only done this once lol

And that was because of a massive event that involved the entire multiverse.


Marvel did it with the beyonder, no?

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Always with reasonings behind them, my friend. Try to read up on that before saying something like that.


It's still kinda is a retcon. A retcon evolves changing something established in the past.
and with 10000+ comics, there's bound to be retcons unexplained. I know you're very knowledgeable in comics, but surely you didn't read more than 10000 comics.


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Yeah, uh... You would know that if you'd picked up at least one comic, but, the thing is, they're not inconsistent just because they are different writers, that's why power grids exist. That's why the Official Handbook of the Marvel Universe exists. So that writers that aren't that knowledgeable on the characters get to know them better.


It's funny how you posted Captain America, especially with the whole "Hail Hydra" Controversy. Was that explained or what ?
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This is the HOTU debate all over again, where you tried to debate about the artifact despite having not even read Marvel: The End, then apologized for it. Don't do this again, please. You're a cool guy.


1.I don't need to read the whole comic just to know how the hotu works. I just need to see it's specification limits and stuff.
2.It's common knowledge that comics tend to retcon themselves, I mean look:
http://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/Retcon/ComicBooks
How do you explain that ? And I'm pretty sure it's only a small list.
3.Thank you, You're a pretty cool guy too.


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Toriyama was half the time uninterested in what he was writing and he didn't even like some of the main characters he wrote. The artists and writers that do work on Hulk and Thor love the character and try to stay as consistent as they can, and this is impressive given the multiple artists and writers there are over small periods of time.

Goku went from being able to move a 300-ton rock back in the beginning of DB to being unable to wear 40 tons in the Boo Saga. DBZ is frankly among the most inconsistent manga ever, since Toriyama isn't exactly the best of writers and doesn't bother to give explanations. It's his fault for staying away from comedy, which was his biggest strength, but that's getting off topic.


Ok, aside from DBZ which gets a flake for being one of the most inconsistent mangas, how do you explain something like One Piece ?

Luffy is far, and I mean FAR more consistent then either Hulk or Iron Man.

And I think we've gotten off topic enough.

So I think Gray wins against Iron man. He's faster and could freeze him, but albeit with Difficulty.
Gray wins 6/10.
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IF he's fast enough to catch or even sense him. No real speed feats in his RT, so I'm gonna say Iron Man is going to be constantly blitzing him

I'm not sure repulsor blasts can be frozen. That'd be like trying to freeze plasma, it ain't gonna happen. And it depends on how his ice powers work. Does he turn things into ice or does he make a basic barrier of ice around his enemies?
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He's comparable to Natsu who dodged Laxus' lighting rays. That was only when the series was in it's infancy.

Iron man needs to be Massively hypersonic to stand a chance.

Also, His ice is kinda magical. We don't really know if it can be melted.

Question for greenough, is Gray's ice more durable than the ice on the sun village arc ?
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He can turn things into actual ice. Originally he couldn't do that sort of thing, he has one technique that completely freezes an opponent permanently regardless of their power, it is literally unstoppable but it takes his own life. His Devil Slayer Ice is on a completely different level than his Molding Magic Ice though.

Speed is very rarely commented on in Fairy Tail. Occasionally they'll be stunned by someone's speed, but there aren't a lot of statements like "He's faster than the speed of light" or stuff like that. I believe there was only one time speed was stated in that manner and that was Jellal's speed and then Natsu's speed when he became faster than Jellal. I'd have to go back to that chapter and see what was said specifically.

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Here's Gray's VSBattle wiki page if anyone wanted to see all his skills and such http://vsbattles.wikia.com/wiki/Gray_Fullbuster
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Seems to be leaving out a lot of manga stuff from the last arc.

Edit: Not a lot, but some.
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