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Are people going to get more and more sensitive?
Topic Started: Feb 1 2016, 05:36 AM (2,927 Views)
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Feb 1 2016, 06:00 PM
I don't think Steve is saying it's going to be a "thing", like complaining about red coffee cups, but he's saying there will probably be someone, somewhere, who will write about how offended they were that someone had the nerve to talk to them without consent.

I actually wouldn't be surprised if someone has already done so.

Similarly, I have seen comments in feminist articles/videos where someone made the absurd claim that men shouldn't be allowed to approach women - at all. Because it's inherently threatening, apparently. With more than one thumbs up, too.
And then what happens when hundreds of thousands of people agree with that and say it's a huge problem and others are forced to listen and do something about it.

Moronic s*** is posted and popularized constantly, don't you dare refer to someone as he or she without express permission, forcing biological standards on an oppressed minority. Making them submit to your world view and white cis privilege.


These things are becoming bigger and bigger, what gives you the idea that they're static? Like only 100 thousand people think these things?
Being on the internet means the mentality can be spread to hundreds of millions of people.
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Feb 1 2016, 06:15 PM
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Feb 1 2016, 06:00 PM
I don't think Steve is saying it's going to be a "thing", like complaining about red coffee cups, but he's saying there will probably be someone, somewhere, who will write about how offended they were that someone had the nerve to talk to them without consent.

I actually wouldn't be surprised if someone has already done so.

Similarly, I have seen comments in feminist articles/videos where someone made the absurd claim that men shouldn't be allowed to approach women - at all. Because it's inherently threatening, apparently. With more than one thumbs up, too.

And then what happens when hundreds of thousands of people agree with that and say it's a huge problem and others are forced to listen and do something about it.

Moronic s*** is posted and popularized constantly, don't you dare refer to someone as he or she without express permission, forcing biological standards on an oppressed minority. Making them submit to your world view and white cis privilege.


These things are becoming bigger and bigger, what gives you the idea that they're static? Like only 100 thousand people think these things?
Being on the internet means the mentality can be spread to hundreds of millions of people.

Once again you seem to be under the impression that most people use the internet, they don't. Meanwhile when I look at it closely, it seems like the Internet is a smaller minority than anything.

And hundreds of thousands spread across the internet? many of whom likely have little pull in the real world, and little motivation to get out into the real world?

It's like yelling at the TV, the only difference is the TV can occasionally hear you. You're hearing people yell at the TV, that's all there is to it. The internet just makes things seem larger than they are, but they aren't, again, just look at the Republicans and Democrats in the US. If the internet really represented everyone, it would not be giving off the impression that everyone is a leftist democrat.

No they aren't, they're the exact same size as yester year, the only difference is now you can actually see it instead of it being confined to a diary or private.

Also, being on the internet means that it's really easy to confirm your biases, and it makes it incredibly easy to ignore information. it can be spread, but it's more likely that they are refusing to change their mentality than anything. They find people that agree with them and get into an echo chamber. They are not going to evangelize people, they're going to preach to the choir because then they can get people to agree with them easier.

The only thing that's changed is that everyone has a megaphone and soundproof rooms.
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Feb 1 2016, 05:55 PM
Why do you see this behaviour stopping and why would it? When people have to get a signed permission slip so they can say hi to someone?
I'm getting an allergic reaction from all this straw your using to build your argument.

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What are we supposed to do? Keep an encyclopaedia of things we can or not say, new version every week?
Good news and bad news. THe bad news: yes, you do have to do that. The good news: you've been doing it since you were old enough to speak, and only people with social disorders lack the ability to do so. We are conditioned at home, at school, at work, on certain forums online, in conversations with specific friends, that there are some ways that you speak and act so as not to be inconsiderate or odd. It's super easy to change little aspects of your behaviour so as not to annoy or hurt other people. If you can give me one real example that isn't some nonsense you got off reddit or tumblr about rain-kin, a real example from day to day life where you see merit in being insensitive for no reason other than your own personal convenience (emergencies not withstanding) I'll be happy to discuss it with you.
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I can't give you an example because thankfully people aren't pathetically sensitive where I live.

The amount of crap on the internet shows how angry many people are over simple things such as "unsolicited conversation" no matter how mundane. There's literally no reason why their numbers won't increase when the mentality can spread anywhere.

Seriously have you never seen people be converted to a mentality? Or perhaps they always had it but now they shout it out and want recognition.


Moaning gets things done when enough people are doing it doesn't really matter what platform they use, the internet just makes it easier for them.

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-3371493/Dozens-students-sign-fake-petition-ban-song-White-Christmas-duped-thinking-RACIST.html

It's that easy to get people behind your idea, no matter how stupid.
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Feb 1 2016, 06:51 PM
I can't give you an example because thankfully people aren't pathetically sensitive where I live.
There's a solution then, you could always go outside more?
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Feb 1 2016, 06:51 PM
I can't give you an example because thankfully people aren't pathetically sensitive where I live.

The amount of crap on the internet shows how angry many people are over simple things such as "unsolicited conversation" no matter how mundane. There's literally no reason why their numbers won't increase when the mentality can spread anywhere.

Seriously have you never seen people be converted to a mentality? Or perhaps they always had it but now they shout it out and want recognition.


Moaning gets things done when enough people are doing it doesn't really matter what platform they use, the internet just makes it easier for them.

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-3371493/Dozens-students-sign-fake-petition-ban-song-White-Christmas-duped-thinking-RACIST.html

It's that easy to get people behind your idea, no matter how stupid.
That's because you live in Real life Steve :p This should be a sign.

Where? Among their group that they'll kick you out of and call you a s***lord if you don't fall lockstep in line?

Yes, generally by reasoned who are respectable and give good arguments. It's on a much smaller scale but Lazerbem helped to do this with how I looked at Other Versus. The latter is more on the money. They have a megaphone now.

It has to be done with organization. A bunch of facebook accounts calling you cis scum is not exactly Martin Luthor King Jr.'s assemblies.

Dailymail is easily one of the worst and most mocked (for good reason) sources of news. Please use something else that isn't a buzzfeed.
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Feb 1 2016, 06:51 PM
I can't give you an example because thankfully people aren't pathetically sensitive where I live.
Or maybe, just maybe, that's proof that it exists on the internet only. That in real life, people don't do that s*** as much as you think they do.

Also, signing a petition doesn't mean you agree with the sentiment. It just shows how easily people jump on bandwagons.
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I think there needs to be a good balance. People in the past were unbelievably barbaric. Whenever I read about the old methods of torture that were used as execution for petty crimes, it just makes me glad that I was born long after all that went away. And people used to believe racism was so acceptable that they kept slaves. I'm sure that if you told people back then to be more sensitive, they'd just laugh in your face and consider you a pussy the same way we do with people who are "overly sensitive" in comparison to our social standards.

In some ways I feel like "Stop being sensitive" can be used in a bad way, like if someone is being bullied. Everyone has different standards of what is considered too sensitive. Some people might see getting into fights in school part of life, and "builds character" or whatever, while others see it as getting in the way of someone's happiness.

Of course we live in a world where evolution made it so that some species of animal can only survive by brutally murdering and devouring the corpses of other animals. Life in general is was already pretty f***ed up before humans had anything to do with it.
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Feb 1 2016, 06:59 PM
Or maybe, just maybe, that's proof that it exists on the internet only. That in real life, people don't do that s*** as much as you think they do.

Also, signing a petition doesn't mean you agree with the sentiment. It just shows how easily people jump on bandwagons.
Or maybe, just maybe, this s*** happens in America way more than it does the UK?

I'm not saying it happens on every street corner but with places like the internet to convene they can only spread their mentality so that it does happen more.

And petitions can get stuff done look at that site Change.org, I forget the number exactly but if 100-300 thousand people sign a petition they have to bring it up in Parliament and consider it and many battles have been won.

If millions of people were making and signing stupid petitions they'd make something trivial seem like an actual problem.


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Dailymail is easily one of the worst and most mocked (for good reason) sources of news. Please use something else that isn't a buzzfeed.


Oh come on, does it really matter? It still happened I'm not going to dig through the internet to find a more reputable site that says exactly the same thing.
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Feb 1 2016, 07:14 PM
Oh come on, does it really matter? It still happened I'm not going to dig through the internet to find a more reputable site that says exactly the same thing.
I don't know why you wouldn't want to use a reputable source of information. That's only hurting yourself.
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And petitions can get stuff done look at that site Change.org, I forget the number exactly but if 100-300 thousand people sign a petition they have to bring it up in Parliament and consider it and many battles have been won.
I didn't say they didn't work, I said that signing one doesn't necessarily mean you believe in the cause. Anyone can sign a petition. I can just go on Change.org, pick a random petition and sign it, then someone will say "10,000 people signed this petition, 10,000 people believe in it" and they'd be wrong. Again, not saying everyone who signs a petition doesn't believe in the cause, just that you don't have to believe in it to sign it. Also, students are notorious for wanting to 'change the world', so it's not exactly hard to get them to sign a petition.

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You realise this is exactly what you're doing now right? Convening on the internet and spreading a mentality? What's the difference between your mentality and theirs? That your's is right? I'm sure they think the same about their own mentality.
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Feb 1 2016, 07:14 PM
If millions of people were making and signing stupid petitions they'd make something trivial seem like an actual problem.
Would it really be accurate to call something trivial if millions of people think it's worth signing the petition? Do you mean to say something you find trivial? Because dismissing something you don't care about as nonsensical or pointless if there are millions (or even a 'mere' few thousand) who do care, again, pulls attention back to your own inability to relate and to think with empathy.
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It's trivial when you're talking about people who think merely engaging in conversation is harassment or do you not think the majority of people out there don't mind such a thing? I don't like talking to people but when someome mentions how s*** the weather is right now I don't consider myself being harassed or feel the need to be scared of being attacked.


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In reference to that news article again you'll Find the same story elsewhere so why does it matter where it came from? It's not like it's lies on one truth on the other.


With the petition thing even if 50% of people don't really believe in it or care at all if it's successful the 50% that do are still getting their own way so what does it matter? Still helps their cause no matter how silly it is.
Wouldn't surprise me if there was a massive petition for banning the use of gender pronouns on the off chance you might offend a transgender person when how much of the population is even transgender? Probably not even half a percent but big names will make it seem like it's a huge danger.

There's probably a petition to remove all racial distinctions, what about when crap like that eventually goes through because of gullible or stupid people?

Trying to describe someone who stabbed you and you call them black, racist.
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Feb 1 2016, 08:35 PM
It's trivial when you're talking about people who think merely engaging in conversation is harassment or do you not think the majority of people out there don't mind such a thing?
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Wouldn't surprise me if there was a massive petition for banning the use of gender pronouns on the off chance you might offend a transgender person
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There's probably a petition to remove all racial distinctions, what about when crap like that eventually goes through because of gullible or stupid people?
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Trying to describe someone who stabbed you and you call them black, racist.
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To be fair I'd perfectly fine with xe becoming the new pronoun to use to refer to people (pronounced "zi" is gender neutral) (also sounds better). All around a much better word to use than she or he.
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