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Are people going to get more and more sensitive?
Topic Started: Feb 1 2016, 05:36 AM (2,928 Views)
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In my experience, the stronger someone reacts to 'pc culture' and 'communal sensitivity', the more likely they are to be a rude c*** who sucks at social situations outside of the Internet or their group of closest friends.

I hope no one acts too sensitive to any implications I might be making about their being a socially inept rude c***.
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Sousen Ichimonji
Feb 1 2016, 12:29 PM
In my experience, the stronger someone reacts to 'pc culture' and 'communal sensitivity', the more likely they are to be a rude c*** who sucks at social situations outside of the Internet or their group of closest friends.

I hope no one acts too sensitive to any implications I might be making about their being a socially inept rude c***.
I think you're on to something. I'm not deliberately rude, in fact i always try to be polite when possible, but i'm not a social butterfly by any means.
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Feb 1 2016, 12:54 PM
I'm not deliberately rude, in fact i always try to be polite when possible
This is basically the bottom line of political correctness. P.C. is the acknowledgement that people are sometimes hurtful to other people. This can be accidental or deliberate. It can be one big awful statement or event, or a load of smaller things being said or done that over years really annoy or upset an individual or group. Either way, 'political correctnes' is just a different, connotation neutral way of saying 'being considerate'. When you remember that it's much easier to realise why people that gripe about it are basically saying "I would prefer to be able to say and do things that I want without having to think about other people", it's clearly not a heroic story or one person vs a world slowly going insane with sensitivity.

People love to throw around the idea that political correctness is going mad. If they had to be honest and say "I don't like that the world is increasingly asking me not to be a prick, and despite all my moaning that other people being too sensitive it's actually MY OWN sensitivity about being called out on being a prick that is causing all this fuss", things would be a lot simpler.
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This is basically the bottom line of political correctness. P.C. is the acknowledgement that people are sometimes hurtful to other people. This can be accidental or deliberate. It can be one big awful statement or event, or a load of smaller things being said or done that over years really annoy or upset an individual or group. Either way, 'political correctnes' is just a different, connotation neutral way of saying 'being considerate'. When you remember that it's much easier to realise why people that gripe about it are basically saying "I would prefer to be able to say and do things that I want without having to think about other people."

People love to throw around the idea that political correctness is going mad. If they had to be honest and say "I don't like that the world is increasingly asking me not to be a prick, and despite all my moaning that other people being too sensitive it's actually MY OWN sensitivity about being called out on being a prick that is causing all this fuss", things would be a lot simpler.
You make some good points, but I do think its becoming a bit over-the-top. If you don't have good intent with what you say, yeah you should just stay quiet, but if you do have good intent you should feel free to speak your mind. And I believe I've noticed that it's becoming a bit harder to do so no matter your intent. Maybe I'm mistaken though.
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Feb 1 2016, 02:12 PM
You make some good points, but I do think its becoming a bit over-the-top. If you don't have good intent with what you say, yeah you should just stay quiet, but if you do have good intent you should feel free to speak your mind. And I believe I've noticed that it's becoming a bit harder to do so no matter your intent. Maybe I'm mistaken though.
This is what I see as the problem.

It's not about having freedom to be a "prick" it's about having freedom to say anything without being railed on for oppressing some community you've never f***ing heard of, the issue is what constitutes as being a "prick" because there's a ridiculously broad range of things you have to consider.

If you say someone rolling about on the floor is "acting like a dog" then "OH MY GOD you just offended all dog-kin! Wow what a s***lord just because they're a minority doesn't mean you can abuse them like that! They can't help being a dog on the inside!"


What are we supposed to do? Keep an encyclopaedia of things we can or not say, new version every week? It's just nonsense why should we have to pay attention to literally every sensitive group on the off chance we might offend them by saying "Nice weather today"
Wow, you utter bastard how could you say that to Rain God-kin on a sunny day? To just mock the lack of their God smiling on them that day...you are the worst person.


Or...
Alternatively.
People could just realize everyone isn't out to get them and not throw a hissy fit when someone quite obviously doesn't know about their group.

When people talk about how us Scottish wear "skirts" and are all ginger drunk people I don't give a s***.

I've talked to so many people that were utterly confused that kilts are only worn for special occasions and not just as casual wear.
They clearly have no knowledge of this place beyond stereotypes or some history lesson they had once, what right do I have to go absolutely crazy at them for offending my culture and acting like they had malicious intent?


It's not like people want the freedom to walk about like "Hey there, you look absolutely disgusting in that outfit you piece of trash" we want the freedom to continue to say innocuous statements of greeting and such without somehow offending people and that's increasingly harder to do.

"My steak is undercooked, could I have it done a bit longer?"

"Wow, it's just because the chef is black isn't it!? We don't serve racists that doubt the talents of minorities here"
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Steve, apart from the kilts/skirts example, every single example you gave doesn't happen.
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Didn't say it did but at this rate it probably will is what I was getting at.

People will go write blog posts about how they were "harassed" on the street that day because someone engaged in "unsolicited conversation" with them and had the nerve to say "Hi"
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But that won't happen.
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Can I just say I have no idea what Steve is talking about? I get the feeling that this is mostly if not almost entirely on the internet, where as Mitas already said, the herd mentality really rears it's head. Usually in the worst possible way.
The way I see it it's people getting a bad environment for their (fragile) egos, and responding with outrage when it's hurt.
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Feb 1 2016, 05:52 PM
But that won't happen.
How can you know this?

These people have the freedom to band together and make their voices heard no matter how trivial their complaint.

Why do you see this behaviour stopping and why would it? When people have to get a signed permission slip so they can say hi to someone?


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Can I just say I have no idea what Steve is talking about? I get the feeling that this is mostly if not almost entirely on the internet, where as Mitas already said, the herd mentality really rears it's head. Usually in the worst possible way.


It is currently but that doesn't mean they can't get things done. Maybe they'll learn to go outside one day and protest.
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But that won't happen.
How can you know this?

These people have the freedom to band together and make their voices heard no matter how trivial their complaint.

Why do you see this behaviour stopping and why would it? When people have to get a signed permission slip so they can say hi to someone?
Steve, where have you seen this behavior?

Yes, the internet makes it trivially easy as well.

The internet is not nearly as large a majority as it seems. I mean if the internet is to be believed than the Democrats should be winning every (or a very large majority of) election(s) in the USA.

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There will always be people that are too sensitive or whatever ill that seems to have arisin with internet, the only thing that's changed is that they can more easily scream into the void, and the void can occasionally scream back.
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People eating animals. What's next? Eating each other?
Scientists telling us sugar is unhealthy. What next? All food is unhealthy?
Government increasing taxes. What's next? An oxygen tax?

That's what you're doing.
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I don't think Steve is saying it's going to be a "thing", like complaining about red coffee cups, but he's saying there will probably be someone, somewhere, who will write about how offended they were that someone had the nerve to talk to them without consent.

I actually wouldn't be surprised if someone has already done so.

Similarly, I have seen comments in feminist articles/videos where someone made the absurd claim that men shouldn't be allowed to approach women - at all. Because it's inherently threatening, apparently. With more than one thumbs up, too.
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Oh yeah, if we're talking about specific people doing it, than I'll more or less believe anything. Somewhere, out there, there's someone crazy enough to say anything you can think up with complete sincerity.
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Feb 1 2016, 06:00 PM
I don't think Steve is saying it's going to be a "thing", like complaining about red coffee cups, but he's saying there will probably be someone, somewhere, who will write about how offended they were that someone had the nerve to talk to them without consent.

I actually wouldn't be surprised if someone has already done so.

Similarly, I have seen comments in feminist articles/videos where someone made the absurd claim that men shouldn't be allowed to approach women - at all. Because it's inherently threatening, apparently. With more than one thumbs up, too.
I can see that, but to me, Steve seemed to be putting it forward in a 'what is the world coming to?' fashion, as in, those sort of attitudes are going to become everyday occurences (apologies to Steve if I misunderstood), which just isn't going to be the case. Like I said before, I don't think those attitudes are as prevalent as people think. Mass media makes it appear so because it's getting coverage, and the internet has given people a platform to voice opinions that they might not hold truly, but just want to instigate trouble, or get attention. I completely agree that there are definitely people out there who will voice that opinion, but I just don't think it's enough to become a 'doom and gloom' issue.
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