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Are Goten and Trunks Rivals?
Topic Started: Jan 30 2016, 04:06 PM (1,283 Views)
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I know there can be rivalry between even the best of friends—a la Ryu and Ken—but what is it about Goku and Vegeta that qualifies them as rivals, and would it apply to Goten and Trunks were they to use the potara fusion?

Goku and Vegeta both possess a drive to be the best, and might Vegeta's obsessive drive to best Goku, specifically, play a part in the effects of their union? Goten and Trunks don't strive to best each other, or even strive to be the best. They're just really strong, and comparable in age and power. In the eyes of Toriyama potara, do you think they'd be rivals?

I have my doubts that just being really close in power—or even perfectly equal—is what grants the boost, since, all things considered, Goku is far and away the more powerful of the two.

Those are my thoughts, now what are yours?
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They're more so friends than they are rivals. Neither seem particularly interested in one-upping each other. The Budokai was just friendly competition.
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In the Z or GT Universe I don't believe them to be rivals, but the fact they're best friends is an easy recipe to become one.

If they were to become rivals, I don't think they have to be the strongest to get the same kind of Rival boast Vegetto got. Remember, at that time Kakarrot and Vegeta were only one of the strongest, not the strongest...they were completely outclassed by Ultimate Gohan, so you don't have to be the strongest.

Anyway though, just to go with my answer. No, I don't think they could be, but since they're best friends simple friendly competition could easily turn into a rivalry.
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They have a "friendly" rivalry.

They get along greatly, they aren't bitter towards each other, yet they still push each other in many ways.

Yes, they are rivals.
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I think they have a rivalry in the same way people have a rivalry with their friends in games and stuff.
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Jan 30 2016, 04:06 PM
I know there can be rivalry between even the best of friends—a la Ryu and Ken—but what is it about Goku and Vegeta that qualifies them as rivals, and would it apply to Goten and Trunks were they to use the potara fusion?

Goku and Vegeta both possess a drive to be the best, and might Vegeta's obsessive drive to best Goku, specifically, play a part in the effects of their union? Goten and Trunks don't strive to best each other, or even strive to be the best. They're just really strong, and comparable in age and power. In the eyes of Toriyama potara, do you think they'd be rivals?

I have my doubts that just being really close in power—or even perfectly equal—is what grants the boost, since, all things considered, Goku is far and away the more powerful of the two.

Those are my thoughts, now what are yours?
Goku wasn't more powerful than Vegeta in the Buu saga, I have base Vegeta (Post majin)=Base Goku. Even if you don't think so, he certainly wasn't far more powerful.

OT I don't think they'd be eligible for a rivalry boost, they don't seem to be competing at all, they're just 2 friends hanging out. I don't think either of them cares about much ,really, they don't even take their fights seriously, just look at Gotenks.
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Jan 30 2016, 06:18 PM
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Jan 30 2016, 04:06 PM
I know there can be rivalry between even the best of friends—a la Ryu and Ken—but what is it about Goku and Vegeta that qualifies them as rivals, and would it apply to Goten and Trunks were they to use the potara fusion?

Goku and Vegeta both possess a drive to be the best, and might Vegeta's obsessive drive to best Goku, specifically, play a part in the effects of their union? Goten and Trunks don't strive to best each other, or even strive to be the best. They're just really strong, and comparable in age and power. In the eyes of Toriyama potara, do you think they'd be rivals?

I have my doubts that just being really close in power—or even perfectly equal—is what grants the boost, since, all things considered, Goku is far and away the more powerful of the two.

Those are my thoughts, now what are yours?
Goku wasn't more powerful than Vegeta in the Buu saga, I have base Vegeta (Post majin)=Base Goku. Even if you don't think so, he certainly wasn't far more powerful.

OT I don't think they'd be eligible for a rivalry boost, they don't seem to be competing at all, they're just 2 friends hanging out. I don't think either of them cares about much ,really, they don't even take their fights seriously, just look at Gotenks.
I agree that Goku isn't hugely stronger but he's superior enough that Vegeta felt the need to sell his soul overcome the difference.

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They're friendly rivals.
That can be a thing, right?
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Their rivalry is stronger than the one between Goku and Vegeta.

Goku and Vegeta's rivalry consisted of Vegeta trying to beat Goku and Goku appeasing Vegeta's desire. If they were truly rivals, Goku would've revealed his true power out of respect for Vegeta and their rivalry.

Goten and Trunks wanting to beat each other in the tournament is as strong as a rivalry is going to get at that age.
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Do you all think they would be eligible for a "rival boost", were they to use the potara, then? As "friendly rivals". Or, do you think it's a specific kind of rivalry, like an antagonistic one, that makes the union more potent?

The rivalry between Goku and Vegeta is undeniably of a very different nature than that of Goten and Trunks, so would their relationship reap the same benefits, is what I'm really asking.

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Goku wasn't more powerful than Vegeta in the Buu saga, I have base Vegeta (Post majin)=Base Goku. Even if you don't think so, he certainly wasn't far more powerful.
Goku's full power is four-times greater than Vegeta's. They're comparable to each other in each form, yes—perhaps perfectly equal—but Vegeta at his maximum is still far weaker than Goku at his, so I don't think they can be considered rivals in power.

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Their rivalry is stronger than the one between Goku and Vegeta.

Goku and Vegeta's rivalry consisted of Vegeta trying to beat Goku and Goku appeasing Vegeta's desire. If they were truly rivals, Goku would've revealed his true power out of respect for Vegeta and their rivalry.
Perhaps so, but I think the author has built Goku and Vegeta up as rivals. Even if at that point in time Goku was far away the more powerful, it doesn't mean they don't seek to out-do each other whenever the other is in the lead.

Goku lets Vegeta go because he wants to surpass him - and he does. Then Vegeta surpasses Goku again after achieving Super Saiyan. Then Goku takes the lead for good once they exit the RoSaT. I don't think this disqualifies them as real rivals, and certainly not in the authors mind, who has one of the wiser characters make it quite clear that they're rivals - something which can't be said of Goten and Trunks.

Goten and Trunks are certainly comparable in power, but I don't think that alone qualifies them as rivals. Yes, they sought to beat each other in a tournament, but they didn't enter so that they might prove to the other they're better. They were both just fighting for the win - not for pride, or proof of superiority, but because it was the nature of the game that they wanted to play.

If Goku and Vegeta aren't rivals, then what is it about their relationship that makes Vegetto so powerful? We know, unequivocally, that it is not because of the potara fusion. Old Kaioshin makes that perfectly clear, and even berated Kibito-Kai for suggesting as such.
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rivalry ? during the buu saga they are 7/8. at this age all they care about are toys and games.
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At best, any rivalry they have is akin to Goku and Krillin as kids. Basically it's fun and also competition. Except Goten respects Trunks almost like an older brother, so perhaps more like Goten and Gohan's relationship.
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Lol. I second the toys & games post! ROFL

Its grounded statements like this makes me realize how self-indulgent DBZ fans can be

OT: except whenevr their feet touches Tenkaichi Budoukai entrance/ring, those 2 are bestest friends

Which I wouldnt call rivalry in the slightest. Would you consider Yamcha & Tien to be rivaĺs?

Sure, both had issues. Settled it a TB with Tien winning. Became friends

Goten & Trunks were friends before TB. Buddies after TB. Hell, even after growing up in GT

All they had was "fighting spirit" which gets fired when pit against an opponent of equal ground. Saiyans mentality.

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Jan 30 2016, 06:57 PM
Do you all think they would be eligible for a "rival boost", were they to use the potara, then? As "friendly rivals". Or, do you think it's a specific kind of rivalry, like an antagonistic one, that makes the union more potent?

The rivalry between Goku and Vegeta is undeniably of a very different nature than that of Goten and Trunks, so would their relationship reap the same benefits, is what I'm really asking.

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Goku wasn't more powerful than Vegeta in the Buu saga, I have base Vegeta (Post majin)=Base Goku. Even if you don't think so, he certainly wasn't far more powerful.
Goku's full power is four-times greater than Vegeta's. They're comparable to each other in each form, yes—perhaps perfectly equal—but Vegeta at his maximum is still far weaker than Goku at his, so I don't think they can be considered rivals in power.

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Their rivalry is stronger than the one between Goku and Vegeta.

Goku and Vegeta's rivalry consisted of Vegeta trying to beat Goku and Goku appeasing Vegeta's desire. If they were truly rivals, Goku would've revealed his true power out of respect for Vegeta and their rivalry.
Perhaps so, but I think the author has built Goku and Vegeta up as rivals. Even if at that point in time Goku was far away the more powerful, it doesn't mean they don't seek to out-do each other whenever the other is in the lead.

Goku lets Vegeta go because he wants to surpass him - and he does. Then Vegeta surpasses Goku again after achieving Super Saiyan. Then Goku takes the lead for good once they exit the RoSaT. I don't think this disqualifies them as real rivals, and certainly not in the authors mind, who has one of the wiser characters make it quite clear that they're rivals - something which can't be said of Goten and Trunks.

Goten and Trunks are certainly comparable in power, but I don't think that alone qualifies them as rivals. Yes, they sought to beat each other in a tournament, but they didn't enter so that they might prove to the other they're better. They were both just fighting for the win - not for pride, or proof of superiority, but because it was the nature of the game that they wanted to play.

If Goku and Vegeta aren't rivals, then what is it about their relationship that makes Vegetto so powerful? We know, unequivocally, that it is not because of the potara fusion. Old Kaioshin makes that perfectly clear, and even berated Kibito-Kai for suggesting as such.
I agree with what you're saying; Toriyama obviously thinks that Goku and Vegeta are rivals. However, that just reflects how he can't really write a good rivalry. They were rivals at the very start, then the dynamic changed in the Android Saga. It changed again in the Boo saga; Vegeta was a petulant child who wanted to beat Goku and Goku, along with appeasing Vegeta's pride, was just happy fighting a strong opponent; put anyone else who's just as strong in Vegeta's place and that 'rivalry' would still exist.
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As in rivaling each other in power then yes, they were rivals. Mentally they were not as they didn't particularly care about one-upping each other like Goku and Vegeta.
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