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| Tweet Topic Started: Jan 26 2016, 09:19 AM (2,973 Views) | |
| + Pointer | Jan 26 2016, 09:19 AM Post #1 |
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@FutureProtagonist okay, so what are your definition of a theory? It is something which describes something by assuming something. Assmuing is the key world here, I didnt want to support anything, just clarify that if a theory has serious flaws in it we should not take that seriously Have you heard of the string theory ? it is still a theory yet not that generally supported. We should take the theory of Big bang in the same cathegory if not below. |
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| Buuberries | Jan 26 2016, 11:17 AM Post #2 |
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Holy bananas how many times have ppl explained this to you? Theories aren't descriptions; they're explanations. They are the closest thing you can get to the truth about something. With our current understanding, it's impossible to know the exact truth about something, so the best we can do is narrow it down. Hence why future and other ppl have mentioned that it isn't brainwashing bc of this. People make observations; a hypothesis is made based on previous knowledge -- this is the assumption; a theory is constructed based on rigorous experimentation and either supports or rejects the hypothesis. Cba to sound like a broken record again so here http://undsci.berkeley.edu/article/howscienceworks_19 Edited by Buuberries, Jan 26 2016, 11:18 AM.
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| * Mitas | Jan 26 2016, 11:28 AM Post #3 |
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From what I'm aware, a scientific theory is only called a 'theory' because they are always open to the possibility that they are wrong (e.g. a previously unknown piece of information surfaces that impacts the current thinking around a subject). However, just because they call it a theory does not mean that they haven't tested it thoroughly. |
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| Buuberries | Jan 26 2016, 11:30 AM Post #4 |
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Yes, like I said on the other thread, pointer is basing all of this on the layman definition of theory. |
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| + Pointer | Jan 26 2016, 11:44 AM Post #5 |
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exactly they are open to the possibilities that they are wrong This is what some of you just cant understand. And what if i support the string theory? I mean it is still a theory, or what if i say to you that an almighty creature created the whole thing. It has about the same factual background than these so called proven theories. Just because Kepler's law and newton's law apply to the objects and planets, and so that general physics works almost the same way in the vacuum of space as they do in regular circumstances, we should not say one theory BASED on that is better than the other. The string theory is also supported by physics, yet physicists keep debating about what is the better the big bang theory or this...... An example: Just because we know how electricity works, we cant ulimately say how the refridgerator is working right? Creation theories are just as proven as the genesis, believe me or not, |
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| Tinny | Jan 26 2016, 12:11 PM Post #6 |
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how in the flying f*** do people doing tests and questioning everything destroy or poke holes a system built on doing tests and questioning everything? They're doing exactly what they're supposed to be doing. An explanation or model that covers a substantial group of occurrences in nature and has been confirmed by a substantial number of experiments and observations is a theory. If a new model comes out and it disagrees with this one, then it's debated and argued and tested back and forth to see which of these models is a better theory. This goes on over and over with more and more tests until a consensus is reached. And then a new theory comes and you do it all over again. |
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| Dankness Lava | Jan 26 2016, 12:23 PM Post #7 |
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All I want to know is your point to all this. |
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| Buuberries | Jan 26 2016, 01:18 PM Post #8 |
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Bloody hell, man. Did you not read my post? I addressed everything you just mentioned in a post you made after mine. This is just an issue of not understanding anything we say, so it leads you to making strawman arguments. You have an idea of what science is, which is incorrect, but you're attacking that incorrect version you believe is true. |
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| + Pointer | Jan 26 2016, 01:35 PM Post #9 |
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I dont know what science is .... And you talked about generalizing few months before... Anyway, it seems any further explanation would be futile, as both of us thinks totally otherwise... happens sometimes Stil.... i have my opinion that those theories i listed above are as legit as the Mayan creation stories Not even physics can describe the world we just see. Black hole for instance. And if they cant nor it can the big bang. So stop acting smart and using physics to back up a theory. Even physicists admits that todays physics just cant give any proper answer to the singularity as the very math is what is totally wrong in the equation as the formula give something is zero which can possibly not . So by describing an aspects of our world both math and physics fail badly. And if those fail, which usually never do, i would question the THEORY. to the point we should easily neglect it. And find another one more suitable. |
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| Buuberries | Jan 26 2016, 01:41 PM Post #10 |
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Lmao Read my post again. It's like talking to a brick wall at this point. For the billionth time: we know every theory has its flaw. No one is effing asserting that every theory out there is 100% truth. It's just that they're the best incomplete explanations amongst other very incomplete explanations. Seriously I am not trying to act smart. This s*** is basic undergraduate level crap, if that. I mean for f***s sake I studied psychology -- we get laughed at by the physical sciences. Edit: I meant to say I'm not trying to act smart cuz Ik Im smart, so it's not an act. Edited by Buuberries, Jan 26 2016, 01:44 PM.
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| + Sandy Shore | Jan 26 2016, 01:47 PM Post #11 |
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No, you just need to admit that you're wrong... It happens sometimes. Mayan creation stories are exactly that - stories. Scientific theory is the closest thing you'll ever get to a fact. In-fact, some—like evolution—may as well be called fact at this point. They're just so well supported that another theory coming in and replacing it seems utterly inconceivable. It might be tweaked and built upon, but it's too sound to be replaced. Still, it's a possibility; however unlikely that may be. Pointer, you don't understand the scientific method, and you don't understand what a theory is after multiple people have told you numerous times. You can believe whatever you want, but you will be—I can say very confidently—dead wrong. Edited by Sandy Shore, Jan 26 2016, 01:48 PM.
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| + Pointer | Jan 26 2016, 01:50 PM Post #12 |
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I try to keep my temper dude you said you are an educated man yet you keep calling be uneducated and s***. Cmon now just because you cant get what i trying to say or at least you totally misunderstood my intentions does not automatically means that you are superior or anything like that. I said that the big bang theory is as close to the not known truth as the mayan myths. Why? Because they both lack in giving proper answers. Of what answers the theory of big bang gave? Nothing what the mayan myth gave? Nothing so they are essentially the same tier. The differences that some of you think otherwise is that the elementary books told you to do so. I can gave you a theory too call it pointerity so it will be as legit as the rest. |
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| Buuberries | Jan 26 2016, 02:05 PM Post #13 |
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Lol I'm done if you won't admit you've misunderstood what science is and what we're all saying |
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| + Sandy Shore | Jan 26 2016, 02:15 PM Post #14 |
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No one is claiming superiority over you, but you are failing to understand anything that anyone is saying to you. They're not even close to being the same. The Big Bang theory is the result of countless tests and observances of our universe, that have been peer reviewed by other, non-bias scientists, interested in finding the objective truth based on evidence. It has become the consensus among scientific minds. We trust their findings—given the nature of the scientific method—over camp fire tales. Are there problems with it? Yes, and they're working on it. When they have a breakthrough, the current model will change to varying degrees based on their findings. People don't take these theories as fact because they read it in a textbook, we trust and understand it is the closest thing to the objective truth, based on verifiable evidence that is recognised by a majority of scientists. It is not a hypothesis, and it is not a story.
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| * Mitas | Jan 26 2016, 03:12 PM Post #15 |
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Think of it this way Pointer: You posited a theory of what you believe the scientific method to be based on your own understanding. Other members gave you new pieces of information that prove that theory to be wrong. If you were a scientist, you would take those pieces of information on board and change your theory to fit the new facts. |
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