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The Power of #19 & #20.
Topic Started: Jan 20 2016, 03:09 PM (2,250 Views)
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Freeza states he is, but Gohan notes that he can get stronger, so he's clearly suppressed.
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Yes, but Gohan also stated Freeza gets much, much stronger than the power he was displaying on Earth. Also, Gohan only knows up to 50% Namek Freeza.

Mecha Freeza < 50% Freeza < 100% Freeza < 100% Mech Freeza (unseen).
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Trunks told Freeza to come at him at full power, and considering Freeza was facing a SUPER SAIYAN, I don't see him holding back.
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Jan 20 2016, 05:58 PM
Trunks told Freeza to come at him at full power, and considering Freeza was facing a SUPER SAIYAN, I don't see him holding back.
He never really had a chance to power up. Freeza just fires a Ki blast, Trunks avoids it, Trunks fires his own Ki blasts, and then slices and dices Freeza to bits.
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Pre-absorption is a little murky, but post-absorption they should be at bare minimum on par with SS Trunks from his debut, though I normally have at least #20 as being enough to beat that Trunks without much trouble.
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It's ridiculous to argue that Trunks' line even exists if Freeza was intended to be stronger than him.
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Jan 20 2016, 05:50 PM
Yes, but Gohan also stated Freeza gets much, much stronger than the power he was displaying on Earth. Also, Gohan only knows up to 50% Namek Freeza.

Mecha Freeza < 50% Freeza < 100% Freeza < 100% Mech Freeza (unseen).
Wait, WHAT? Gohan flew back to check on Goku after flying Bulma and Piccolo back to the ship didn't he? Also wouldn't he have sensed Frieza and Goku going full force a minute before he got magic'd away?
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Yes, but Gohan also stated Freeza gets much, much stronger than the power he was displaying on Earth. Also, Gohan only knows up to 50% Namek Freeza.

Mecha Freeza < 50% Freeza < 100% Freeza < 100% Mech Freeza (unseen).
Wait, WHAT? Gohan flew back to check on Goku after flying Bulma and Piccolo back to the ship didn't he? Also wouldn't he have sensed Frieza and Goku going full force a minute before he got magic'd away?
No, he did not check on Goku, that was filler. Whether or not he sensed Freeza is debatable

That being said, I don't think Freeza was holding back given he was fighting a Super Saiyan. When he fired that blast, I can see him bursting up to 70% like he did with that kiai on Namek, or perhaps 100% if he doesn't need to noticeably power-up anymore. In any case, I tend to peg Trunks around 180-185 million

19 and 20 are between organic Freeza and SSJ Trunks for me, probably a bit above Mecha-Freeza.
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Even if he did, the fact remains.

Gohan confirms Freeza is not as strong as he last knew his power to be; Freeza's form does not suggest full power, though he does say he's gotten stronger; Trunks challenges Freeza to come at him full power, and, without powering up or bulking out, Freeza rashly fires at Trunks.

Freeza is not expressing power above his 100% on Namek.

It's ridiculous to argue that Freeza's 100% form no longer requires him bulking out. It's like suggesting Goku is at Super Saiyan power when yellow hair isn't present. All the evidence suggests Freeza is suppressed below his 100% form, and there is no evidence for him having done what Trunks challenged him to do.

Well, I suppose he used the full power of whatever state he's in.

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I'm not arguing that Freeza was at full power. I'm just saying that it's asinine to think that Trunks would challenge Freeza to go to full power if he himself didn't know Freeza's full power. That would be extremely risky and completely goes against his character.

It's not impossible for him to know Freeza's power, either. He could've easily been told from Gohan in the future how strong Freeza is (i.e; Gohan saying "Freeza was a threat, but he wouldn't be much of a challenge to me now." or something along those lines).
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I see what you're getting at, now. Trunks is more-than-likely to be stronger than Mecha Freeza's maximum by a comfortable margin, I must agree.

When I said he needn't be, I wasn't aware of Trunks challenging Freeza to do so.
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Jan 20 2016, 08:43 PM
It's ridiculous to argue that Freeza's 100% form no longer requires him bulking out.
His power up is attributed to his new mechanical parts, so bulking out might NOT be necessary anymore. The regular biological part of Freeza probably isn't even that strong anymore considering how much of his body he lost.

Mecha Freeza's biological parts consist of his right arm, most of his stomach and chest, with part of his right chest being mechanical, and half of his head. Whereas his mechanical parts include half of his head, part of his chest, as mentioned, his tail, his left arm and both legs. He's over half mechanical at this point.
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The mechanical parts may render bulking up completely unnecessary.
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I doubt it'd even be possible. The chest plate wouldn't be able to expand with it, and his body would become too big for his...uh...metal pants.
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Trunks is the most pragmatic character in the series. He wouldn't be goading Freeza to use his full power if he wasn't at a level where he'd be able to easily take Freeza out. I doubt he knows specifics about how Freeza powers up and that he's had to bulk up in the past, so I'm guessing Trunks would go in assuming that Freeza could tap into his full power in an instant.
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