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Super Episode 26 (10 January 2016)
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King Kakarot
Jan 10 2016, 09:48 AM
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Jan 10 2016, 06:19 AM
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Jan 10 2016, 03:14 AM
Pretty sure Goku did the same thing back in the manga vs Freeza this isn't something new
Goku did let his guard down, but the circumstances were different, Goku was satisfied that he fought Frieza when he was at his 100% and defeated him, by the time Goku reverted back to base, Frieza was already cut in half.
Freeza wasn't cut in half when he turned back to base
On Namek, Goku gave Frieza a little bit of energy and reverted back to his base and took off until Frieza launched a surprised attack.

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How come Goku could tell Freeza was losing power rapidly on Namek, but he couldn't do it here?
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Jan 10 2016, 09:48 AM
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Jan 10 2016, 06:19 AM
King Kakarot
Jan 10 2016, 03:14 AM
Pretty sure Goku did the same thing back in the manga vs Freeza this isn't something new
Goku did let his guard down, but the circumstances were different, Goku was satisfied that he fought Frieza when he was at his 100% and defeated him, by the time Goku reverted back to base, Frieza was already cut in half.
Freeza wasn't cut in half when he turned back to base
On Namek, Goku gave Frieza a little bit of energy and reverted back to his base and took off until Frieza launched a surprised attack.

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Goku stopped fighting Freeza when he realized there was no point in continuing he then reverted to base and flew off.

Freeza then attacks him and Goku dodges his attacks and Freeza gets cut in half

Then cue the picture

@Pyrus

He did know Freeza was losing power but didn't catch on it right away
Edited by King Kakarot, Jan 11 2016, 07:03 AM.
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King Kakarot
Jan 11 2016, 07:02 AM
SSj4 Gotenks
Jan 11 2016, 05:04 AM
King Kakarot
Jan 10 2016, 09:48 AM
SSj4 Gotenks
Jan 10 2016, 06:19 AM
King Kakarot
Jan 10 2016, 03:14 AM
Pretty sure Goku did the same thing back in the manga vs Freeza this isn't something new
Goku did let his guard down, but the circumstances were different, Goku was satisfied that he fought Frieza when he was at his 100% and defeated him, by the time Goku reverted back to base, Frieza was already cut in half.
Freeza wasn't cut in half when he turned back to base
On Namek, Goku gave Frieza a little bit of energy and reverted back to his base and took off until Frieza launched a surprised attack.

Posted Image

Goku stopped fighting Freeza when he realized there was no point in continuing he then reverted to base and flew off.

Freeza then attacks him and Goku dodges his attacks and Freeza gets cut in half

Then cue the picture

@Pyrus

He did know Freeza was losing power but didn't catch on it right away
Goku just gave Freeza enough energy to fly away. You'd be hard-pressed to convince anyone that Freeza with that energy posed any kind of threat to Base Goku, much less SSJ Goku.
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Jan 11 2016, 07:59 AM
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Jan 11 2016, 07:02 AM
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Jan 11 2016, 05:04 AM
King Kakarot
Jan 10 2016, 09:48 AM
SSj4 Gotenks
Jan 10 2016, 06:19 AM
King Kakarot
Jan 10 2016, 03:14 AM
Pretty sure Goku did the same thing back in the manga vs Freeza this isn't something new
Goku did let his guard down, but the circumstances were different, Goku was satisfied that he fought Frieza when he was at his 100% and defeated him, by the time Goku reverted back to base, Frieza was already cut in half.
Freeza wasn't cut in half when he turned back to base
On Namek, Goku gave Frieza a little bit of energy and reverted back to his base and took off until Frieza launched a surprised attack.

Posted Image

Goku stopped fighting Freeza when he realized there was no point in continuing he then reverted to base and flew off.

Freeza then attacks him and Goku dodges his attacks and Freeza gets cut in half

Then cue the picture

@Pyrus

He did know Freeza was losing power but didn't catch on it right away
Goku just gave Freeza enough energy to fly away. You'd be hard-pressed to convince anyone that Freeza with that energy posed any kind of threat to Base Goku, much less SSJ Goku.
Wut?

That scene where he reverts to base happens before he gives Freeza energy
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King Kakarot
Jan 11 2016, 08:02 AM
Nagito Komaeda
Jan 11 2016, 07:59 AM
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Jan 11 2016, 07:02 AM
SSj4 Gotenks
Jan 11 2016, 05:04 AM
King Kakarot
Jan 10 2016, 09:48 AM
SSj4 Gotenks
Jan 10 2016, 06:19 AM
King Kakarot
Jan 10 2016, 03:14 AM
Pretty sure Goku did the same thing back in the manga vs Freeza this isn't something new
Goku did let his guard down, but the circumstances were different, Goku was satisfied that he fought Frieza when he was at his 100% and defeated him, by the time Goku reverted back to base, Frieza was already cut in half.
Freeza wasn't cut in half when he turned back to base
On Namek, Goku gave Frieza a little bit of energy and reverted back to his base and took off until Frieza launched a surprised attack.

Posted Image

Goku stopped fighting Freeza when he realized there was no point in continuing he then reverted to base and flew off.

Freeza then attacks him and Goku dodges his attacks and Freeza gets cut in half

Then cue the picture

@Pyrus

He did know Freeza was losing power but didn't catch on it right away
Goku just gave Freeza enough energy to fly away. You'd be hard-pressed to convince anyone that Freeza with that energy posed any kind of threat to Base Goku, much less SSJ Goku.
Wut?

That scene where he reverts to base happens before he gives Freeza energy
Well, tell me this;

If Base Goku is able to react to Freeza's discs and outmanoeuvre them with utter ease when he turns into a SSJ, what's the most logical option?

A) Freeza and his discs are weaker than Base Goku
B) The discs were stronger than Goku and he was able to react to it

Everything points to option A. It was a move of desperation, and Goku only notices it after he's flown away a bit.
Edited by Yu Narukami, Jan 11 2016, 08:27 AM.
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then why the hell he transformed back to ssjin if he was already stronger in base? :D

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Jan 11 2016, 10:17 AM
then why the hell he transformed back to ssjin if he was already stronger in base? :D
He just saw the guy survive a Kaioken x20 Kamehameha and a Genki Dama point-blank to the face. Why wouldn't he be cautious around a person who's proven to be ridiculously resilient?
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Jan 11 2016, 11:42 AM
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then why the hell he transformed back to ssjin if he was already stronger in base? :D
He just saw the guy survive a Kaioken x20 Kamehameha and a Genki Dama point-blank to the face. Why wouldn't he be cautious around a person who's proven to be ridiculously resilient?
You are against you brother, I mean you said that his base was more than enough as he dodged frieza's attack, and now you are saying he transformed cuz he thought he d survive his base?
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Jan 11 2016, 11:45 AM
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Jan 11 2016, 10:17 AM
then why the hell he transformed back to ssjin if he was already stronger in base? :D
He just saw the guy survive a Kaioken x20 Kamehameha and a Genki Dama point-blank to the face. Why wouldn't he be cautious around a person who's proven to be ridiculously resilient?
You are against you brother, I mean you said that his base was more than enough as he dodged frieza's attack, and now you are saying he transformed cuz he thought he d survive his base?
Freeza showed himself to be ridiculously resilient, it makes sense for Goku to go overboard just to make sure that he takes out Freeza. Otherwise, you'd have to say that Freeza's attack is unbelievably slow, as it actually makes it pretty far before Goku notices and transforms.
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Jan 11 2016, 11:45 AM
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Jan 11 2016, 10:17 AM
then why the hell he transformed back to ssjin if he was already stronger in base? :D
He just saw the guy survive a Kaioken x20 Kamehameha and a Genki Dama point-blank to the face. Why wouldn't he be cautious around a person who's proven to be ridiculously resilient?
You are against you brother, I mean you said that his base was more than enough as he dodged frieza's attack, and now you are saying he transformed cuz he thought he d survive his base?
Freeza showed himself to be ridiculously resilient, it makes sense for Goku to go overboard just to make sure that he takes out Freeza. Otherwise, you'd have to say that Freeza's attack is unbelievably slow, as it actually makes it pretty far before Goku notices and transforms.
I still dont get it


base goku > cut in half frieza yet he still resorted to transform. So either goku was not above frieza or i d k


Its like Yakon's case imo
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Goku was already transformed when he left Freeza as he was. We don't know if he was weaker or not. Truthfully, I imagine Freeza even in that state is stronger because he's just so much stronger than base Goku in general.
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If you're talking about Freeza right before Goku 'killed' him, why would Goku give him enough Ki for him to do anything other than fly away? The attack was pathetic.
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+Freeza getting so much enjoyment out of torturing Goku. I don't think we ever saw such a personal fight in the series, outside of maybe Goku vs Majin Vegeta. It really makes it feel special.
+Gohan and Krillin were about to go help Goku. They're both my two favourite characters in the franchise, and a scene like this just means so much to me. Especially Krillin, who just recently was out-of-characterly s***ting his pants over the fodder. The writers kinda redeemed him here by making him willing to go at Freeza to save his best friend. It's even in character, since Krillin personally challenged Freeza in the original Freeza saga in order to save Gohan.
+I've always enjoyed seeing Bulma's more logical and human stance to things compared to the Saiyans pride-first, logic-second reasoning. We saw it in the early Android saga when discussing stopping Dr Gero, and we see it again here.
+I really liked the fighting here. And there was quite a lot of it...for a Super ep.
+When Freeza kicks Goku away from the water and says drowning isn't how he plans to kill Goku, I dunno why but I found that to be such a great moment. It just added a little something extra to Freeza that I can't explain properly. It just made the revenge aspect of the fight seem even better.
+Freeza making the plan with Sorbert as soon as Goku gets the upper hand. Too many times in DBZ it takes a villain way too many hits to realise that, oh wait, he actually IS weaker than his opponent. Freeza doesn't waste time by trying to attack Goku another 50 times before he realises he's beaten.
+Beerus saying "Did he really THINK" in response to Goku saying "I think a little more and I'd have been done for". One of Beerus' funniest lines.
+I like the way Goku actually gets shot is portrayed here. The cut to silence mid-sentence.

-Bulma and Jaco is getting a little old now...They're reeeeally overplaying it. Though I did find Jaco saying "Bulma is the most dangerous one here" quite funny.
-I'm getting so sick of this show making Goku the clueless retard just so Vegeta can look better and be the one to work everything out. The movie had both of them work out Freeza's weakness by themselves, can't they just keep that and make both of them look like competent fighters?
-Goku actually offering Freeza the chance to leave. Goku, Freeza is stronger than you, and is massively obsessed with revenge. If he had worked out his weakness himself and took your chance to let him leave, he'd fix it and come back and kill you. It's a flaw Goku's had for a while, but it looks so much worse when he tries making the same mistake to the same character when that specific character has come back TWICE for revenge.
-How does Freeza not realise his weakness? Does he not feel himself getting tired?
-Why was Goku hiding power during the entire fight? He didn't know Freeza's weakness yet, and Freeza was stronger than him...he had no reason to hold back.
-Ki blast battles continue to be terrible. I'm pretty forgiving when it comes to animation but Jesus Christ, it's atrocious. It's like Goku and Freeza are actors miming their movements, and then the Ki blasts were being edited in (very poorly) later.
-I feel like there was too much difference too fast in regards to Freeza's power drop. One second he's completely kicking Goku around like a ragdoll, then Goku is tanking punches to the face.
-Goku reverting back to base. In the movie he essentially lowered his gun, while here he throws the gun across the room and writes "please kill me" on his forehead.

+/- The tail bite was a nice callback, but it took Goku far too long to work it out, and Freeza was an idiot for not realising it was going to happen again.

I guess it was a pretty good ep. It had it's problems, but that's to be expected from Super by now. I doubt Super will ever have an outstanding episode.

This one isn't for the episode itself, but something that I wanted to talk about that I hadn't thought about before:

+/- (mostly -) Freeza mentioning that "this form is an embarrassment" made me realise that two new forms introduced in Super (or the movies to be specific), and both of them are weaker than the main villain. It's a pretty interesting and fresh take compared to DBZ. Unfortunately it also gives off a rather lackluster feel. The original Super Saiyan and Super Saiyan 2 transformations are some of the most memorable scenes in DBZ due to their significance on the story, while here it's kinda just like whatever. I guess the original God form was okay at the time, if only because it brought the good guys to powers far beyond anything we'd ever seen before, but the blue form doesn't do anything for me because we barely even had a good grasp on Goku's new base power to the point where Goku has been nothing but "Unbelievably strong" recently, no matter what form he's in. They could have had base Goku fight Golden Freeza and I'd have found it believable since they haven't established a cap on base Goku's new power yet, so the fact he's transformed means nothing to me. When characters transformed in the past, you knew where their previous power lied, which gave it so much more hype.
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I wouldn't really call that fresh. I mean, Boo had to be taken out with the Genki Dama. All the fusions and transformations failed.
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