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Super Episode 26 (10 January 2016)
Topic Started: Jan 10 2016, 12:31 AM (21,199 Views)
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Jan 10 2016, 04:09 AM
Wait if SSGSS isn't a big increase. Why dont Goku just use Kaioken?
Because Kaioken is inherently inferior.
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Wouldn't it make him stronger though? Not like it'll strain that bad or at all....SSJ is a 50x increase correct? Of SSGSSG is closer too "base form" like say 2x. Couldn't Goku just use Kaioken x10?

Math confusing....
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Jan 10 2016, 04:14 AM
Wouldn't it make him stronger though? Not like it'll strain that bad or at all....SSJ is a 50x increase correct? Of SSGSSG is closer too "base form" like say 2x. Couldn't Goku just use Kaioken x10?

Math confusing....
No because Super Saiyan God is as far as Goku can go. It's why they don't bother using Super Saiyan 2 or 3.
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Jan 10 2016, 04:09 AM
Wait if SSGSS isn't a big increase. Why dont Goku just use Kaioken?
No idea, likely because Toriyama forgot, if Goku used kaioken he could likely win every battle with ridiculous ease, and it'd give a better reason for him to revert to base form.

@Prince could you elaborate on what you mean? I don't understand.
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Anyway, time for my commentary on the episode

Wow, just at the sponsorship card, the art is bad. Freeza's face is...wow, this is just sad
Welp, Goku's fingers are definitely broken from the way they are placed while he's on the ground
Tien looks like Saitama again
Silly Gohan and Krillin, we have no time for you, that would ruin the balance
And we continue the trend of Super characters forgetting everything from Z with the tail bite
Holy s***, the art after Freeza gets neckchopped...
Freeza looking like he was about to bitchslap Goku was hilarious, a shame that he ended it with just a ki blast
Freeza screaming after that also has some poor artwork, and is really random to boot with the way he poses
Once again, the Bulma and Jaco stuff is done well. I really think AT would rather be writing gag cartoons given that
Jeez, the lip synching when Goku chuckles is bad
Wow, Goku is an idiot if seeing Freeza panting like a dog doesn't tip him off to the weakness
Goku looks a lot more buff than usual when he powers up, 100% Freeza levels of it
Why is Freeza's tail so stubby when he's clashing with Goku?
Oh geez, not again with the "ATATATA" ki blast spams
Oh dear lord, Freeza's art is terrible when he's on the cliff. Like...wow, this just deserves a picture
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It's not just for one shot too, it's continuously s*** for a good few seconds
The tanking of Freeza's punch is nice...and then ruined by the way Freeza just stands there as Goku punches him. It doesn't look like Goku's faster, it looks like Freeza is too stupid to move. I know Goku is faster, it's just conveyed really weirdly
The way Freeza fakes his surrender I like more, since it makes Freeza out to be smarter and I like Freeza
Of course, then we get more bad art on Freeza and on Goku
Goku turning to base is even more moronic when Freeza is clearly capable of throwing punches still
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Jan 10 2016, 03:14 AM
Pretty sure Goku did the same thing back in the manga vs Freeza this isn't something new
Goku did let his guard down, but the circumstances were different, Goku was satisfied that he fought Frieza when he was at his 100% and defeated him, by the time Goku reverted back to base, Frieza was already cut in half.
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Jan 10 2016, 06:19 AM
King Kakarot
Jan 10 2016, 03:14 AM
Pretty sure Goku did the same thing back in the manga vs Freeza this isn't something new
Goku did let his guard down, but the circumstances were different, Goku was satisfied that he fought Frieza when he was at his 100% and defeated him, by the time Goku reverted back to base, Frieza was already cut in half.
Freeza wasn't cut in half when he turned back to base
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RIP Goku.

SSGSS Goku > Golden Freeza (Power Decreasing) > Base Goku ~ Base Vegeta

Goku knowingly lowered himself to a power that was weaker than Freeza. At least in FnF, he left himself the opportunity of putting up his guard against Freeza. Here, he'd have to power up to full, transform to SSGSS and mount a defence. Instead, he just leaves himself completely open in a weaker form after seeing Freeza target his friends while they were fighting. If Freeza tried attacking Krillin right then, Krillin would be dead. Goku or Vegeta wouldn't be able to react.
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Jan 10 2016, 10:02 AM
RIP Goku.

SSGSS Goku > Golden Freeza (Power Decreasing) > Base Goku ~ Base Vegeta

Goku knowingly lowered himself to a power that was weaker than Freeza. At least in FnF, he left himself the opportunity of putting up his guard against Freeza. Here, he'd have to power up to full, transform to SSGSS and mount a defence. Instead, he just leaves himself completely open in a weaker form after seeing Freeza target his friends while they were fighting. If Freeza tried attacking Krillin right then, Krillin would be dead. Goku or Vegeta wouldn't be able to react.
Didn't base vegeta delfect a golden freeza ki blast?
Didn't base goku destroy the sphere of destruction?
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Freeza at the point couldn't hurt Goku and Goku would know if Freeza was going to attack someone he could sense the intentions just like he did against Trunks.

You guys are really pushing for problems that aren't there,the show handled the scene much better than the movie

It was much worse in the movie
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King Kakarot
Jan 10 2016, 10:30 AM
Freeza at the point couldn't hurt Goku and Goku would know if Freeza was going to attack someone he could sense the intentions just like he did against Trunks.

You guys are really pushing for problems that aren't there,the show handled the scene much better than the movie

It was much worse in the movie
What was the point of dropping out of Base? He was either going to let Freeza go again or he'd just have to power back up to finish him off. It makes no sense whatsoever. And blocking an attack aimed at himself is completely different from blocking an attack aimed at Krillin or Gohan.

Edit: Is Freeza an idiot then? He was seemingly confident in his ability to fight Base Vegeta.
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Well in the movie base Vegeta could block away Golden Freeza's blast

Makes you wonder if Vegeta really needed to transform to beat Freeza since as shown in the movie and in Super,Golden Freeza at a certain point couldn't even harm God Goku

Golden Freeza could very well be weaker than base God Goku
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Jan 10 2016, 10:57 AM
Well in the movie base Vegeta could block away Golden Freeza's blast

Makes you wonder if Vegeta really needed to transform to beat Freeza since as shown in the movie and in Super,Golden Freeza at a certain point couldn't even harm God Goku

Golden Freeza could very well be weaker than base God Goku
Freeza's confidence would say otherwise. He knew that he was weak enough to warrant using his contingency plan, so it's not like you can say his confidence against Base Vegeta isn't valid.
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Who says Vegeta isn't better and stronger than Goku?base Goku could be a 6 to golden Frieda's 10 and Blueper Goku a 8. Vegeta could be a 7 and a 9 at his best. He asks for his turn in both the anime and movie before Frieza wears himself all the way out. Vegeta saw the weakness in super easily and even berths admits that him joining the fight would end it. Vegeta deflects the final attack meant to kill Goku to end it here and in the movie he deflected a blast meant to kill in his base.

Vegeta transforming is a guaranteed victory which is why he calls Goku an idiot, but nothing says that Vegeta is Gokus equal especially not in super. You can point to a list of things that say he is better than Goku

- His mutated power being over ssj3
- his ability to follow the god fight with his eyes from the start
- Goku out right saying he is stronger when he is brought to the planet by whis
- Vegeta training a bit more at night while Goku sleeps
- their spar when Goku can't even stand up afterwards while Vegeta can
- Vegeta seeing the weakness here to the point Goku has to be told
- Vegeta threatening to beat both Goku and Frieza for playing around so much

If we are going by past incidents, Vegeta is stronger. It's like Gero/19 all over again and he's pulled ahead. And as an added bonus he's lost his attitude and arrogance to the point of checking himself. We see that transforming to SSGSS alone doesn't even equate to going to full power in super sort of like a mssj, so Vegeta may be holding back.

Conclusion 1 - Goku is a damn fool
Conclusion 2 - Frieza thinks Vegeta is a joke because of his past bragging and failures
Conclusion 3 - Vegeta is the strongest and least arrogant one there of the three

**** I personally think Gokus not worried about being attacked by Frieza and would just teleport out the way with IT like how he used it vs beerus in the movie to make up a speed difference
Edited by Kblo247, Jan 10 2016, 03:22 PM.
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Jan 10 2016, 04:15 AM
QueenTD
Jan 10 2016, 04:14 AM
Wouldn't it make him stronger though? Not like it'll strain that bad or at all....SSJ is a 50x increase correct? Of SSGSSG is closer too "base form" like say 2x. Couldn't Goku just use Kaioken x10?

Math confusing....
No because Super Saiyan God is as far as Goku can go. It's why they don't bother using Super Saiyan 2 or 3.
But doesn't Kaioken push you belong the limits? I don't get it....DB never been a,series with a power limit.
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