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Super Episode 25 (27 December 2015)
Topic Started: Dec 28 2015, 12:08 AM (12,106 Views)
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Dec 28 2015, 06:32 PM
So one piece still always has the same
issue?

Do one piece fans and people in Japan not care about art and animation quality at all?
Anime to Japan is different than America.

Most in Japan own the manga and the anime is just there for the important moments and promote the manga alongside toys.

Anime in Japan 97% of time are for manga promotion. In Super case. The manga promotes the anime but... Its odd
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Been at work all day. Let's give this pile of w*** a watch.

+Jaco is still kinda funny.
+The music that plays when Freeza transforms is epic.
+Champa saying he'll fight Beerus that ordering Vados to attack was funny.
+I think this episode illustrates the difference between Beerus and Freeza well for those who think there's no difference between the two characters.
+This episode makes the gap between Freeza and Goku much more clear than in the movie.

-Freeza saying it's typical of a Saiyan to make such an effort to get strong. Would make sense for older Freeza, but here it just comes off as weird. Freeza's only as strong as he is now because he made an effort.
-Jaco saying it's the first time he's seen a Saiyan God with blue hair. So he's seen the red haired one? When? Not even the oldest God's had seen them before Goku turned into one, but Jaco has?
-Why in the hell did Freeza attack blue haired Goku before transforming? Even if he still can't sense power levels (I think that might not even be the case anymore? I forget), he was about equal to Goku before he transformed, so this move was beyond retarded. Yeah, he said he was "testing Goku's powers", but if Goku showed off his true power here, he would have obliterated Freeza. If he was as strong as you before he transformed, he's sure as hell gonna be stronger after.
-The pacing is horrible. I swear we got about 10 variations of "I'm about to show you my full power" "Show me your fully power then" "Here comes his full power" before Freeza finally transformed.
-"Based on the energy I'm sensing, I can say I'm much stronger". Wait...is Freeza talking about sensing his own energy? Goku's energy can't be sensed right? Or is it just because Freeza is in the "God realm" of power that he can sense God energy like Vegeta?
-Gotta bring up the pacing again. I swear to God they're doing it on purpose now. "This will be a good fight" "No I will win" "You're wrong" "Once we decide to fight it will become clear" "That's right" "Son Goku...goodbye. If I wanted I could kill you in an instant. Therefore I'll say goodbye already". It's almost like they're parodying the fact that they're talking instead of fighting.
-"Normally I get really excited here. But this time I stay on my guard". Okay I understand that even dangerous fights excite Goku, but is this implying Goku doesn't stay on his guard in his fights? The only way I can see this line not being completely stupid is if he's just keeping Whis' advice in mind about Goku dropping his guard too much. That's a pretty stupid thing anyway though since Goku never had a problem with it before , even going as far as to say if he drops his guard against Cell he'd be done in in an instant.
-Normally I think that Super's fighting is good (with a few exceptions), but there's far too many cut aways from it. In this case the lack of fighting is even worse than ANY previous episode except the 3 universe-destroying punches episode, and even the fighting we do see is pretty meh at best and awful at worst.
-Ki. Blast. Spam.
-Champa's scene is way too out of place. Seriously, they're cutting away from the current main plot point to give an early introduction to the next sagas? Just have Champa's scene on Beerus' trip home.
-Why is Champa asking Vados how many Dragon Balls they have so far? I get that it's probably for the audience, but I hate it when they make a character ask stupid questions they should know the answer to just to inform us. Just have Champa say "We already have 5, we just need 2 more" or something.
-I'm sad that they removed the part where Bulma initially says it isn't the time to eat ice cream, and Beerus charges up a blast to threaten her/the world. I thought it was funny.
-Beerus saying you can expect Freeza to have improved so much due to him being wished back after being dead so long...wat? Why? What's the correlation? If anything being dead so long would mean you'd expect him to not be so strong.
-The off model art reaches distractingly bad levels in the 2nd half.
-The fact they extended Jaco's joke about getting a picture with Beerus really ruined the timing and delivery of it.
-"Do you want Beerus to find out you're a fan of Goku and Freeza?" the hell does that mean?

s*** episode.
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Clearin
Dec 28 2015, 10:18 PM
-Jaco saying it's the first time he's seen a Saiyan God with blue hair. So he's seen the red haired one? When? Not even the oldest God's had seen them before Goku turned into one, but Jaco has?
Likely a mistranlation. The word for god and hair are the same in Japanese.
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Dec 28 2015, 10:18 PM
Been at work all day. Let's give this pile of w*** a watch.

+Jaco is still kinda funny.
+The music that plays when Freeza transforms is epic.
+Champa saying he'll fight Beerus that ordering Vados to attack was funny.
+I think this episode illustrates the difference between Beerus and Freeza well for those who think there's no difference between the two characters.
+This episode makes the gap between Freeza and Goku much more clear than in the movie.

-Freeza saying it's typical of a Saiyan to make such an effort to get strong. Would make sense for older Freeza, but here it just comes off as weird. Freeza's only as strong as he is now because he made an effort.
-Jaco saying it's the first time he's seen a Saiyan God with blue hair. So he's seen the red haired one? When? Not even the oldest God's had seen them before Goku turned into one, but Jaco has?
-Why in the hell did Freeza attack blue haired Goku before transforming? Even if he still can't sense power levels (I think that might not even be the case anymore? I forget), he was about equal to Goku before he transformed, so this move was beyond retarded. Yeah, he said he was "testing Goku's powers", but if Goku showed off his true power here, he would have obliterated Freeza. If he was as strong as you before he transformed, he's sure as hell gonna be stronger after.
-The pacing is horrible. I swear we got about 10 variations of "I'm about to show you my full power" "Show me your fully power then" "Here comes his full power" before Freeza finally transformed.
-"Based on the energy I'm sensing, I can say I'm much stronger". Wait...is Freeza talking about sensing his own energy? Goku's energy can't be sensed right? Or is it just because Freeza is in the "God realm" of power that he can sense God energy like Vegeta?
-Gotta bring up the pacing again. I swear to God they're doing it on purpose now. "This will be a good fight" "No I will win" "You're wrong" "Once we decide to fight it will become clear" "That's right" "Son Goku...goodbye. If I wanted I could kill you in an instant. Therefore I'll say goodbye already". It's almost like they're parodying the fact that they're talking instead of fighting.
-"Normally I get really excited here. But this time I stay on my guard". Okay I understand that even dangerous fights excite Goku, but is this implying Goku doesn't stay on his guard in his fights? The only way I can see this line not being completely stupid is if he's just keeping Whis' advice in mind about Goku dropping his guard too much. That's a pretty stupid thing anyway though since Goku never had a problem with it before , even going as far as to say if he drops his guard against Cell he'd be done in in an instant.
-Normally I think that Super's fighting is good (with a few exceptions), but there's far too many cut aways from it. In this case the lack of fighting is even worse than ANY previous episode except the 3 universe-destroying punches episode, and even the fighting we do see is pretty meh at best and awful at worst.
-Ki. Blast. Spam.
-Champa's scene is way too out of place. Seriously, they're cutting away from the current main plot point to give an early introduction to the next sagas? Just have Champa's scene on Beerus' trip home.
-Why is Champa asking Vados how many Dragon Balls they have so far? I get that it's probably for the audience, but I hate it when they make a character ask stupid questions they should know the answer to just to inform us. Just have Champa say "We already have 5, we just need 2 more" or something.
-I'm sad that they removed the part where Bulma initially says it isn't the time to eat ice cream, and Beerus charges up a blast to threaten her/the world. I thought it was funny.
-Beerus saying you can expect Freeza to have improved so much due to him being wished back after being dead so long...wat? Why? What's the correlation? If anything being dead so long would mean you'd expect him to not be so strong.
-The off model art reaches distractingly bad levels in the 2nd half.
-The fact they extended Jaco's joke about getting a picture with Beerus really ruined the timing and delivery of it.
-"Do you want Beerus to find out you're a fan of Goku and Freeza?" the hell does that mean?

s*** episode.
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I mean I guess this was getting built up to but still, I don't think I've seen you this unhappy with an episode, I almost want to see it now for morbid
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Dec 28 2015, 10:38 PM
Clearin
Dec 28 2015, 10:18 PM
Been at work all day. Let's give this pile of w*** a watch.

+Jaco is still kinda funny.
+The music that plays when Freeza transforms is epic.
+Champa saying he'll fight Beerus that ordering Vados to attack was funny.
+I think this episode illustrates the difference between Beerus and Freeza well for those who think there's no difference between the two characters.
+This episode makes the gap between Freeza and Goku much more clear than in the movie.

-Freeza saying it's typical of a Saiyan to make such an effort to get strong. Would make sense for older Freeza, but here it just comes off as weird. Freeza's only as strong as he is now because he made an effort.
-Jaco saying it's the first time he's seen a Saiyan God with blue hair. So he's seen the red haired one? When? Not even the oldest God's had seen them before Goku turned into one, but Jaco has?
-Why in the hell did Freeza attack blue haired Goku before transforming? Even if he still can't sense power levels (I think that might not even be the case anymore? I forget), he was about equal to Goku before he transformed, so this move was beyond retarded. Yeah, he said he was "testing Goku's powers", but if Goku showed off his true power here, he would have obliterated Freeza. If he was as strong as you before he transformed, he's sure as hell gonna be stronger after.
-The pacing is horrible. I swear we got about 10 variations of "I'm about to show you my full power" "Show me your fully power then" "Here comes his full power" before Freeza finally transformed.
-"Based on the energy I'm sensing, I can say I'm much stronger". Wait...is Freeza talking about sensing his own energy? Goku's energy can't be sensed right? Or is it just because Freeza is in the "God realm" of power that he can sense God energy like Vegeta?
-Gotta bring up the pacing again. I swear to God they're doing it on purpose now. "This will be a good fight" "No I will win" "You're wrong" "Once we decide to fight it will become clear" "That's right" "Son Goku...goodbye. If I wanted I could kill you in an instant. Therefore I'll say goodbye already". It's almost like they're parodying the fact that they're talking instead of fighting.
-"Normally I get really excited here. But this time I stay on my guard". Okay I understand that even dangerous fights excite Goku, but is this implying Goku doesn't stay on his guard in his fights? The only way I can see this line not being completely stupid is if he's just keeping Whis' advice in mind about Goku dropping his guard too much. That's a pretty stupid thing anyway though since Goku never had a problem with it before , even going as far as to say if he drops his guard against Cell he'd be done in in an instant.
-Normally I think that Super's fighting is good (with a few exceptions), but there's far too many cut aways from it. In this case the lack of fighting is even worse than ANY previous episode except the 3 universe-destroying punches episode, and even the fighting we do see is pretty meh at best and awful at worst.
-Ki. Blast. Spam.
-Champa's scene is way too out of place. Seriously, they're cutting away from the current main plot point to give an early introduction to the next sagas? Just have Champa's scene on Beerus' trip home.
-Why is Champa asking Vados how many Dragon Balls they have so far? I get that it's probably for the audience, but I hate it when they make a character ask stupid questions they should know the answer to just to inform us. Just have Champa say "We already have 5, we just need 2 more" or something.
-I'm sad that they removed the part where Bulma initially says it isn't the time to eat ice cream, and Beerus charges up a blast to threaten her/the world. I thought it was funny.
-Beerus saying you can expect Freeza to have improved so much due to him being wished back after being dead so long...wat? Why? What's the correlation? If anything being dead so long would mean you'd expect him to not be so strong.
-The off model art reaches distractingly bad levels in the 2nd half.
-The fact they extended Jaco's joke about getting a picture with Beerus really ruined the timing and delivery of it.
-"Do you want Beerus to find out you're a fan of Goku and Freeza?" the hell does that mean?

s*** episode.
:o_O:
I mean I guess this was getting built up to but still, I don't think I've seen you this unhappy with an episode, I almost want to see it now for morbid
To be fair, I think this is the first time I've watched an episode straight after work, and with a headache no less. I wouldn't say it's the absolute worst episode of Super (in the bottom 5 maybe though), but I do think it's terrible. I think I'm just getting bored of Super in general.
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I haven't even bothered watching the episode and judging from the comments, I don't think I'm missing much either.
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Dec 28 2015, 10:45 PM
I haven't even bothered watching the episode and judging from the comments, I don't think I'm missing much either.
If you've seen the movie then the only thing from this episode you need to know is that Beerus and Champa bumped into each other. Champa just said he was looking around, and Beerus knew he was lying, but nothing else came from it.
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Freeza's transformation theme and theme right after are the best parts of the episode.

The chi sensing aspect is all messed up. No one should be able to sense Goku except Vegeta, Whis, and Beerus. But Tenshinhan says Freeza has become much stronger, which he shouldn't really be able to tell just be looking at Freeza standing around. Freeza mentions sensing energy to tell he's become a lot stronger.

Man, this episode sucked. Not enough actual fighting, and the fighting that occurred was terrible.
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Ajay from Kanzenshuu made this:

It's amazing what harsher sound effects and more exciting music can do.
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Dec 29 2015, 05:45 PM
Ajay from Kanzenshuu made this:

It's amazing what harsher sound effects and more exciting music can do.
That definitely made the fight sound more brutal.
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Dec 29 2015, 07:29 PM
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Dec 29 2015, 05:45 PM
Ajay from Kanzenshuu made this:

It's amazing what harsher sound effects and more exciting music can do.
That definitely made the fight sound more brutal.
I don't know just a short clip. I personally don't see a bigger difference compared to before unless I'm missing something.
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Hope yall know Beerus's attacks were the one threatening thr universe. Goku was trying to hold them off. They're definitely still in thr universal 7 tier smfh
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... Can we just make a thread for arguing the shockwaves back and forth and pin that?
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Can we not? It's inconsistent. Move on :rofl: .
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