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Super Episode 25 (27 December 2015)
Topic Started: Dec 28 2015, 12:08 AM (12,107 Views)
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It isn't, it's up to them. And they retconned it. I don't understand what's so difficult to get. I didn't retcon it, they did, I have no power or influence over the production of DBS, it's all TOEI, who have retconned their own show yet again.


except they didn't retcon anything other than you said they did

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And the FnF arc? What do they do that's universe level there? Feel free to give me the gifs and such. The issue is that the fnf arc doesn't have those feats.


The stronger Goku in a beam struggle being matched by someone else when in a weaker form he had the energy to nearly blow up the universe in a fight vs someone........

Your "logic" would dictate only Freeza and Kid Buu are the only planet busters in Dragon Ball becuase the're the only one who show those feats.

I guess SSJ3 isn't one since he never replicated the same feats as Kid Buu

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Well did first form Freeza universe bust then? Or anything like that?


Wut?Like what are you talking about

First form Freeza blew up a planet,second from Freeza never did any feat on that level so i guess second form Freeza isn't a planet buster according to you since he never performed the feat again.When in all reality all Freeza would need to do is the feat once,he doesn;t need to do it multiple times

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Unless Spiderman is ftl and Superman has infinite strength, I doubt it.


What do these two have to do with anything?


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And let's be honest you're doing this for versus matches so yes this is relevant. From what I can tell you actually agree that there are no feats and just want to argue what constitutes a legit feat, which can go to other versus for, so I think this line of conversation in this thread is done.


There are feats a stronger Goku that nearly blew up the universe in a weaker form getting matched by someone in power is a clear feat as clear as day


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So basically you have nothing showing them getting the Dragon Ball's and such


It's in the manga,which will eventually be shown on the show

What's next there's no proof of the universe 6 warriors now lol
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I don't think Goku can control water rippling when he splashes around in it. He shouldn't be able to control if his previously shown universe-threatening attacks produce universe-threatening shockwaves again. It's not the same as Vegeta reigning in his Final Flash to not destroy the planet.
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do you see any shockwaves here?

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I think energy output when cutting loose or using an amped attack is probably the reason

Goku at first shook the planet turning ssj3. Now he does it and nothing happens

Amped attacks at full power usually have to be aimed away from the planet

The beam struggle between gohan and cell nearly destroyed the planet because gohan completely cut loose. Now it's not even a strong beam struggle and could probably be controlled well

So it could've just been beerus losing his mind and goku just having issues with controlling his blasts

It might be a stretch I think but idk it's something
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Dec 28 2015, 04:42 PM
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It isn't, it's up to them. And they retconned it. I don't understand what's so difficult to get. I didn't retcon it, they did, I have no power or influence over the production of DBS, it's all TOEI, who have retconned their own show yet again.


except they didn't retcon anything other than you said they did

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And the FnF arc? What do they do that's universe level there? Feel free to give me the gifs and such. The issue is that the fnf arc doesn't have those feats.


The stronger Goku in a beam struggle being matched by someone else when in a weaker form he had the energy to nearly blow up the universe in a fight vs someone........

Your "logic" would dictate only Freeza and Kid Buu are the only planet busters in Dragon Ball becuase the're the only one who show those feats.

I guess SSJ3 isn't one since he never replicated the same feats as Kid Buu

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Well did first form Freeza universe bust then? Or anything like that?


Wut?Like what are you talking about

First form Freeza blew up a planet,second from Freeza never did any feat on that level so i guess second form Freeza isn't a planet buster according to you since he never performed the feat again.When in all reality all Freeza would need to do is the feat once,he doesn;t need to do it multiple times

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Unless Spiderman is ftl and Superman has infinite strength, I doubt it.


What do these two have to do with anything?


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And let's be honest you're doing this for versus matches so yes this is relevant. From what I can tell you actually agree that there are no feats and just want to argue what constitutes a legit feat, which can go to other versus for, so I think this line of conversation in this thread is done.


There are feats a stronger Goku that nearly blew up the universe in a weaker form getting matched by someone in power is a clear feat as clear as day


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So basically you have nothing showing them getting the Dragon Ball's and such


It's in the manga,which will eventually be shown on the show

What's next there's no proof of the universe 6 warriors now lol
Are you telling me that Beerus chopped Goku in the back of the neck? Because he didn't. And they said so anyway. Twice at minimum.

I don't recall beam clashes ever having that much collateral damage, even potentially. Vegeta, Cell both said so, now maybe my memory ain't so good so... Did anyone say anything about the universe being in danger again?

I just said what they have to do with anything KK, read my posts. You even quoted it.

But the beams aren't acting like they did last time.

The show has far surpassed that point in the manga at. They made the wish in BoG, it's the end of FnF and they still haven't shown them making the wish, more over the manga and anime contradict each other, the Kaioshin didn't have any Dragon balls during the shockwaves or been struggle did they? But in the manga they did.

There's that, and then there's going to when the anime covers U6... And telling me puffy nipples is in the anime when the anime shows puffy pelvis instead, with nary a large nipple in sight.
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Dec 28 2015, 05:05 PM
do you see any shockwaves here?

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What exactly is causing this universal threat?
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Environmental damage isn't going to be completely consistent especially when it's not being used to showcase a new standard. Look at superman. He's supposed to have moon-planet level physical attacks but he gets thrown through a couple of mountains and he's all cut and bruised up. He punches Wonder Woman from the sun to the earth and the crater wasn't even impressive. No one says anything though

Dbz doesn't always have an explanation for the inconsistent environmental damage either. No one has ever said in the past that a feat has been retconned because we hadn't seen it in a while but now when universe busting is involved people want it to happen all the time otherwise it's been retconned. It's kind of biased if you ask me

I guess you can say that it's because of how well they were controlling their powers but that's all I got
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If that's the case, then this is just more Freeza-****ing on Toei's part.

''Goku's so skilled! He was able to control his energy and make it so the Universe isn't in danger!''
''Freeza's so cool too, he can do exactly the same thing!''
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Lazerbem - The feat is the same as Gohan and Cell's, just to a lesser degree. We have multiple indications that Cell at least is able to blow away the solar system. Yet Gohan was matching him (badly at first) and didn't let lose cause he didn't want to destroy the earth (the end result being a gapping crater).
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Did Cell every say he was going to destroy the solar system? He said he had enough power to do so, not that he would do it. Not to mention that Gohan's beam didn't explode or hit the Sun, there was no way it was going to destroy the solar system unless his sheer power can do it(which is obviously can't)
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Dec 28 2015, 06:01 PM
Did Cell every say he was going to destroy the solar system? He said he had enough power to do so, not that he would do it. Not to mention that Gohan's beam didn't explode or hit the Sun, there was no way it was going to destroy the solar system unless his sheer power can do it(which is obviously can't)
What's the point of stating you can do something (in front of your enemy) but won't or don't intend to do it? Gohan blast could've been concentrated to the point the potency was still solar system level. Gohan's not insane to destroy everyone he wants to protect. Cell's intent was the solar system, Gohan's was to protect earth.
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I mean look at ssj2 goku vs majin vegeta. There's a panel in the manga with them fighting and there are these huge shockwaves and mountains shaking and stuff. Ssj3 gotenks and super buu didn't have that. Iirc ssj3 goku vs kid buu didn't have much if at all. Shockwaves are just not consistent. Why does that have to mean goku and vegetas feat was retconned?

Personally I don't doubt cell could've destroyed the entire solar system if beerus has universe AOE I don't see a problem with it
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I'm sick of reading power level bulls*** in every thread and judging by the reports I'm not the only one. Please leave that stuff outside of this thread please.

Also judging by Toei's other work, I wouldn't expect a lot of the stuff people are complaining about to get better. Pacing and animation quality are the main complaints in the One Piece anime too, and that's been their flagship series for the last decade or so. Considering they've got One Piece, Sailor Moon and DBS on their plate, I'm not really surprised with how it's gone. Hopefully it'll pick up once they move on to the next arc and people can finally start concentrating on the story now it's not a re-tread.

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Please tell me I'm not the only one who laughed when everybody jumped behind the rock as the beams clashed? It was just so off, I found it hilarious.

Seems like they're going to be sticking with Resurrection F's story for the most part, what with focusing on Sorbet in quite a few shots.
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So one piece still always has the same
issue?

Do one piece fans and people in Japan not care about art and animation quality at all?
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