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Super Episode 25 (27 December 2015)
Topic Started: Dec 28 2015, 12:08 AM (12,108 Views)
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King Kakarot
Dec 28 2015, 03:30 PM
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Dec 28 2015, 05:15 AM
Bit different, those didn't have any precedent. With Freeza and Goku, that's not the case. In Super, we saw that two beams from god levels colliding creates shockwaves and hyper dense energy from Beers vs Goku. The same situation is replicated with Freeza, but the same doesn't occur.
The fact Freeza could challenge Goku and make him struggle automatically makes him nigh universal

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Or they retconned that from DBS, it wouldn't the first time, just look at how they talk about chops when none took place in episode 5.
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Why would they retcon that?

That means they would need to retcon Beerus strength which Cleary isn't happening

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In the Manga it's still pretty clear Beerus is near universal in power
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Dec 28 2015, 03:37 PM
Why would they retcon that?

That means they would need to retcon Beerus strength which Cleary isn't happening
How should I know? They retconned the chop but still I don't understand why. All I know is that they clearly did.

They did though, in the bog arc they were implied to be fairly close in power, cut to DBS in between FnF and BoG and apparently Beerus is far far beyond then even though angry Vegeta was like 10%.
So yeah, it already happened. The strength and feats and power levels and relative strengths all got retconned.

Edit: the manga is not the anime. Unless you can show me the scene in the anime where the kaioshins got the Dragon Ball's and made a wish (granted I haven't been keeping up lately, but thus happened back in the BoG arc). Or when the manga did shockwaves (they didn't it just shook the universe).
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Feats don't get retconned by fans the writers put them in the show for a reason(just look at the title for episode 12 lol)and until someone flat out says yeah perhaps we made Beerus and Goku abit too strong and don't take that fight seriously thier feats are 100% canon.

Again you may not like it (you've even said your bias to the feats in Super) but the writers in the show make a clear effort to show just how strong the Gods are and fans have no place to say that feat isn't legit anymore


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That's clearly the shockwaves reaching the Kai realm in the manga

Also it doesn't matter if the manga isn't the anime it's secondary canon it's based on Toriyama's script it's what's going to happen in the show
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Dec 28 2015, 03:53 PM
Feats don't get retconned by fans the writers put them in the show for a reason(just look at the title for episode 12 lol)and until someone flat out says yeah were perhaps we made Beerus and Goku abit too strong and don't take that fight seriously thier feats are 100% canon.

Again you may not like it (you've even said your bias to the feats in Super) but the writers in the show make a clear effort to show just how strong the Gods are and fans have no place to say that feat isn't legit anymore


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That's clearly the shockwaves reaching the Kai realm in the manga
No they get retconned by the show. Which is exactly what happened.

And they've then retconned it.

Whoops, fair enough. As for the kais and the Dragon balls?
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The show didn't retcon any feats of what happened Goku didn't get weaker he only got stronger and Freeza is stronger than him making Freeza on the same level of the Gods who performed those same universal level feats
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Dec 28 2015, 04:01 PM
The show didn't retcon any feats of what happened Goku didn't get weaker he only got stronger and Freeza is stronger than him making Freeza on the same level of the Gods who performed those same universal level feats
He didn't get weaker, he was retconned.
They don't recreate those feats despite everything going on. I think they've been retconned. Much like the chop, they didn't have a presentation to tell everyone that Beerus chopped Goku instead of what happened in episode 5. They just had the characters referencing chops when you can clearly see that nothing like that happened. Here they just refuse to show those same feats.

Also waiting on those kais KK.
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It is a little odd that the beam struggle didn't create any shockwaves. This battle is on a higher level after all. Unless Goku somehow learned how to cancel out these shockwaves in general, this really doesn't make any sense. This universe busting business should have been left to the final battle of the series.
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Dec 28 2015, 04:08 PM
It is a little odd that the beam struggle didn't create any shockwaves. This battle is on a higher level after all. Unless Goku somehow learned how to cancel out these shockwaves in general, this really doesn't make any sense. This universe busting business should have been left to the final battle of the series.
Yeah, universe busting is really high stakes for what is the second fight in the anime. Makes the narrative fell weird, I mean where do you go from there? Multiverse busting?
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He didn't get weaker, he was retconned.


You saying he did isn't helping your point at all fans have no say anything retcon wise that isn't up to you


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They don't recreate those feats despite everything going on. I think they've been retconned.


Recreate what exactly?Now you don't even know can you at least be consistent in what you're trying to say. ;)

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Here's the narrator explaining universal destruction no shockwaves just a bright white light,but again what you can't seem to understand is that Goku's power is the one adding to that universal destruction and he didn't get weaker
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Much like the chop, they didn't have a presentation to tell everyone that Beerus chopped Goku instead of what happened in episode 5.



again read the manga


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Here they just refuse to show those same feats.


I guess second form Freeza isn't a planet buster because he never blew up a planet :blush:

They don't need to show the same feats once is enough to put them at that level

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Also waiting on those kais KK.


They'll eventually show it in the show.....

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Try to make it work whatever way you want but I wouldn't look into it too much. Environmental damage is always inconsistent when it's not being used to showcase a new standard. Doesn't mean it's been retconned
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Dec 28 2015, 04:16 PM
Try to make it work whatever way you want but I wouldn't look into it too much. Environmental damage is always inconsistent when it's not being used to showcase a new standard. Doesn't mean it's been retconned
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This feat has been clearly retconned because Beerus has never again blocked anyone with 1 finger
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Wait, what? That doesn't it's been retconned. We just haven't seen him do it. Last person he fought was ssj God goku and I doubt he could do that against his punches
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Dec 28 2015, 04:25 PM
Wait, what? That doesn't it's been retconned. We just haven't seen him do it. Last person he fought was ssj God goku and I doubt he could do that against his punches
That was sarcasm,because Tin Man believes for some strange reason if you don't do feats more than once it's retconned
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Dec 28 2015, 04:14 PM
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He didn't get weaker, he was retconned.


You saying he did isn't helping your point at all fans have no say anything retcon wise that isn't up to you


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They don't recreate those feats despite everything going on. I think they've been retconned.


Recreate what exactly?Now you don't even know can you at least be consistent in what you're trying to say. ;)

http://gfycat.com/AngryAlarmedAnura

Here's the narrator explaining universal destruction no shockwaves just a bright white light,but again what you can't seem to understand is that Goku's power is the one adding to that universal destruction and he didn't get weaker
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Much like the chop, they didn't have a presentation to tell everyone that Beerus chopped Goku instead of what happened in episode 5.



again read the manga


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Here they just refuse to show those same feats.


I guess second form Freeza isn't a planet buster because he never blew up a planet :blush:

They don't need to show the same feats once is enough to put them at that level

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Also waiting on those kais KK.


They'll eventually show it in the show.....

It isn't, it's up to them. And they retconned it. I don't understand what's so difficult to get. I didn't retcon it, they did, I have no power or influence over the production of DBS, it's all TOEI, who have retconned their own show yet again.

And the FnF arc? What do they do that's universe level there? Feel free to give me the gifs and such. The issue is that the fnf arc doesn't have those feats.

Can you explain what you mean by that? Because I saw the anime, episode five wasn't a chop, it was a push. Later they refer to chops. That's a clear retcon.

Well did first form Freeza universe bust then? Or anything like that?
Unless Spiderman is ftl and Superman has infinite strength, I doubt it. And let's be honest you're doing this for versus matches so yes this is relevant. From what I can tell you actually agree that there are no feats and just want to argue what constitutes a legit feat, which can go to other versus for, so I think this line of conversation in this thread is done.

So basically you have nothing showing them getting the Dragon Ball's and such.
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