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Priorities with animation
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+ Ssj3vegito96	Dec 27 2015, 08:21 PM Post #1
Posts: 10,327 Group: Elite Member Member #10,438 Joined: November 2, 2013 Gender Male Country United States Favourite Anime Dragon ball/Z/GT/S, Fullmetal Alchemist:Brotherhood, One Punch Man Favourite Manga DB/Z/S	Is it me or does Japan need to get their priorities straight when it comes to quality? Why do well known popular shows like dbz, one piece, naruto, bleach, fairy tail, etc. get that occasional hilariously bad art and animation but stuff that isn't well known like one punch man, FMA, fate(?) have pretty much flawless art and animation. They put a rush on everything too. Just stop for a little bit, add color to your mangas, and give your poor artists and writers some time. Toei for example with dbs and one piece movie. Ok you know it's going to look like s* since you've invested practically all your money and effort into the one piece movie so why the f* did you put a rush on a series like dragon ball at the same time? Now it's extremely noticeable that you're cutting corners left and right. You've ruined your public image and you just pissed in the faces of fans of the biggest anime of all time. f*ing idiots And then in naruto when gai fought his clone. How many fing times are you going to recycle the animation? How much more can you make it look like they're dancing instead of fighting? I swear I feel like these companies don't know what they're doing half the time. Edited by Ssj3vegito96*, Dec 27 2015, 08:47 PM.
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Tinny	Dec 27 2015, 09:01 PM Post #2
Posts: 6,060 Group: Super Moderator Member #12,355 Joined: May 24, 2015 Gender Not Specified Favourite Anime Silver Spoon, Fate/Zero, Legend of Galactic Heroes, Space Patrol Luluco, Psycho-pass, Miss Kobayashi What Browser do you use? Chrome, Edge Favourite Manga Wizard's Soul ~Holy War of Love~	Because Dragon Ball can frankly print money virtue of having enough clout for there to be a holiday. It's more or less continually printing out money, A-1 pictures also puts out an incredible amount of content. TOEI is just trying to give everyone something I suppose, DBS for Dragon Ball fans and one piece movie for most people. There are priorities and Dragon Ball falls far below one piece. Edited by Tinny, Dec 27 2015, 09:04 PM.
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+ Steve	Dec 27 2015, 09:14 PM Post #3
Greetings. I will be your waifu this season. Posts: 19,471 Group: Legend Member #5,710 Joined: February 7, 2011 Gender Male Country United Kingdom Favourite Anime Hunter x Hunter(2011) What Browser do you use? Mozilla Firefox Favourite Manga Berserk all day erry day	I think they could do well with doing seasonal anime instead of constantly adapting manga. Long running series just crash and burn once they catch up which they ALWAYS do really. Naruto is the perfect example, although it's crashing and burning regardless of the fact that the manga has been done for ages now. Still doing filler. It's literally about 50% filler or more, I think it's actually about 60% filler if you count through all the episodes. Utter bulls*. Imagine that 60% was cut out and the budget from it was put in to the 40% spread out over time? It would look great. Seasonal would work best because it would allow time for manga's to get ahead and for them to spend more time on each episode than to just rush everything, catch up with the manga and have to put out literal garbage in the hope that people remain interested. This is a big reason why series like Fate, OPM and HxH are good they either take a section of content and adapt it or adapt a finished story(well, with HxH, kind of finished) Another good one is Seven Deadly Sins. There are like 110 chapters or something right now and the 24 episode series spanned about half of that, and another presumably 24 episode series is coming out next year when there will be plenty of content to adapt. I do not get why others choose to do episodes every week with the very occasional break. I can't think of a seasonal anime that's as low quality as Shippuden. Pokémon has been doing it for years and last I checked it looks pretty good. Edited by Steve**, Dec 27 2015, 09:15 PM.
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Billa	Dec 28 2015, 02:08 AM Post #4
Thala na Gethu! Posts: 4,218 Group: Member Member #7,273 Joined: February 3, 2012 Favourite Anime Nothin What Browser do you use? Nothin Favourite Manga Nothin	Garbage studios like TOEI & Pierrot can GTFO for all I care They produce dog-s* in da names of OP, Naruto & dbz, yet would laugh all da way to da bank with s* tons of money they made As for priorities, Anime Industry needs 2 things 1. Quality > quantity 2. Respect towards da source material & fans Shows like Hunter Hunter (2011), FMAB, DN, BTOOM, Inuyasha: Final Act etc have done this. Note that MadHouse & BONES were responsible for those shows While ancient, traditional multi-billion companies like TOEI & Pierrot are tarnishin da concept with MFkin quantities >>>>>>>>>>>> quality



~~KiklooRapeist~~	Dec 28 2015, 06:52 AM Post #5
Posts: 173 Group: Suspended Member #11,941 Joined: December 24, 2014 Gender Male Favourite Anime Mobile Suit Zeta Gundam What Browser do you use? The one which doesn't hang. Favourite Manga Hate them.	Anime('s) like Super,Naruto,Bleach,Fairy Tail or Anime('s) with episodes 25+ in general, have average level of art and animations not because of poor animators or less budget. They have average level of art and animation because they have to evenly 'thin out' their budget across the current possible number of episodes which is,keep in mind,variable and dynamic. This is why anime('s) such as Super,Naruto,bleach,fairy tail or Anime('s) with episodes 25+ in general, have mediocre level of art and animation for each episode when compared to an anime which has only 10~25 episodes. The other problem they face is time. Usually, for anime('s) with 25+ episodes, each episode must be done in a week(i.e the deadline), so animators and artist can not create so many images/frames. And they don't bother into going in full detail in art and animation because they would waste time and not be able to complete the episode within the deadline. So,as you can see, the animators must make a trade off between Quality and Quantity. Edited by KiklooRapeist, Dec 28 2015, 06:55 AM.



*Copy_Ninja*	Dec 28 2015, 11:37 AM Post #6
*Novacane for the pain* Posts: 8,033 Group: Guardian Member #6,499 Joined: July 18, 2011 Gender Not Specified Country None Favourite Anime Naruto, Fullmetal Alchemist: Brotherhood, Hunter x Hunter (2011) What Browser do you use? Google Chrome Favourite Manga Monster, One Piece, Naruto, Fullmetal Alchemist, Hunter X Hunter, Death Note, SnK	Steve Dec 27 2015, 09:14 PM Naruto is the perfect example, although it's crashing and burning regardless of the fact that the manga has been done for ages now. Still doing filler. It's literally about 50% filler or more, I think it's actually about 60% filler if you count through all the episodes. Utter bulls***. Imagine that 60% was cut out and the budget from it was put in to the 40% spread out over time? It would look great. Crash and burn isn't really the appropriate way to describe it. I mean, they still pull good numbers in ratings and are making a heap of money on merchandise. The last two movies made a load of money as well, more than any other Naruto movie. Yeah, the anime is garbage but the simple fact of the matter is, in terms of making profit (which, as a business, is what Studio Pierrot cares about), they're doing pretty well. The problem with long running Shonen that don't have a fixed amount of episodes and go on and on forever is that they have to 1. stretch out the budget they have, making 50 episodes a year is expensive and 2. have greater time restrictions. They can't spend ages on each episode when they need to get one out a week, so they do what they can. Occasionally some freelance animators may work on an episode and it ends up a higher quality (though I think Naruto is the only one where I can think of multiple examples of this) but it's mostly them doing what they can to finish the work. The only exception I can think of is Hunter x Hunter, which had pretty high quality animation even though it went for 148 episodes. But then again it is Madhouse.
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+ Steve	Dec 28 2015, 03:51 PM Post #7
Greetings. I will be your waifu this season. Posts: 19,471 Group: Legend Member #5,710 Joined: February 7, 2011 Gender Male Country United Kingdom Favourite Anime Hunter x Hunter(2011) What Browser do you use? Mozilla Firefox Favourite Manga Berserk all day erry day	Crash and burn in terms of quality I mean, Shippuden looks horrible at the best of times and it kills all the cool moments like the 8th Gate scene. Seasonal would definitely work out because then they'd have a gap to do a bit of work on multiple episodes before they start airing. So like if they did 5 months worth of anime then stopped for 2 months or so then done another 5 months in that 2 month break they could have the first few episodes of a season started, possibly even done. Then they can focus months ahead instead of rushing every week. Plus less budget on filler. Well, maybe 4 month seasons would work better, it would be up to them. Mostly I think anime like Shippuden and One Piece do better because the people that focus on them don't know any better, like those are the only anime they've watched so they don't know how s*** the quality is in comparison to something good.
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