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majin buu vs superman
Topic Started: Dec 25 2015, 01:02 PM (2,372 Views)
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majin buu vs post crisis superman who wins
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How does Post-Crisis hold up to beings of magic, is just being around magic a weakening factor or does he have to be hit by something akin to an arcane blast of some sort? I wouldn't count Boo out on this one.
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Dec 25 2015, 05:46 PM
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Superman has really good weaponry against someone like Buu. Freeze Breath can... Well freeze, heat vision can vaporize him if he so decides. He can phase through his most dangerous attacks as well, with the more tactical mind I think Superman holds the advantage.

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What exactly do you mean when you say "less feats?" Superman has allot more story. While Kid Buu was in only one arc in a series which doesn't have many feats to begin with.
What's freezing and heat vision going to do to a haxed regenerator? Even if he vaporized him, he'll simply regenerate. Physical wise, Kid Buu is a wild a*** fighter to begin with and Superman using that brawling style is gonna get him creamed in hand to hand. Also Buu's a magical lifeform so that's a bonus on his side.
Freezing can help to disable or stun him, he can't just regenerate from being frozen, and how do you regenerate from everything being completely destroyed? It's not exactly like Spirit bomb destroys the soul or anything as Freeza and Vegeta can attest.
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Brawlers can't phase through attacks usually.
And Kid Buu is also basically a wild animal. No grace or technique.
Making for someone this fast...
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This one is special, Zoon, the reverse flash complimented Superman's speed.
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Superman ain't exactly getting speed blitzed here. He will see those attacks coming. And with his phasing, Buu is gonna have some trouble hitting him.
Superman can also cat illusions and enter the Theta state, that doesn't exactly scream "brawler who can't throw a straight punch" to me.
No, I'm speaking of his normal way of fighting, phasing through attacks is different from what I meant.

Kid Buu isn't a wild animal in his fighting style he's just unpredictable. If you saying Buu is talentless, then you're pretty much saying a much experienced Goku is a crappy fighter compared to his inexperienced past self. Goku practically praises Buu a few times I believe and die to him being able to mimic peoples attacks and abilities (Kamehameha and Instant Transmission) he could potentially steal some of the basic Kryptonian abilities like heat vision etc.

Buu might have trouble but so will Supes, don't forget Buu can manipulate his body with extremely efficacy. I wasn't saying he's an overall brawler, just that he usually goes in a brawl when meeting a new for. The scan of Doomsday he already knew how tough he was, Kid Buu's an enigma as far as he knows.

Edit: My grammar's off atm.
Boo is a terrible fighter though. There are many times when he would be dead were it not for his regeneration, even against weaker opponents. Boo can only put up a fight because he can take the hits and keep on ticking without any problem.
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Superman has really good weaponry against someone like Buu. Freeze Breath can... Well freeze, heat vision can vaporize him if he so decides. He can phase through his most dangerous attacks as well, with the more tactical mind I think Superman holds the advantage.

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What exactly do you mean when you say "less feats?" Superman has allot more story. While Kid Buu was in only one arc in a series which doesn't have many feats to begin with.
What's freezing and heat vision going to do to a haxed regenerator? Even if he vaporized him, he'll simply regenerate. Physical wise, Kid Buu is a wild a*** fighter to begin with and Superman using that brawling style is gonna get him creamed in hand to hand. Also Buu's a magical lifeform so that's a bonus on his side.
Freezing can help to disable or stun him, he can't just regenerate from being frozen, and how do you regenerate from everything being completely destroyed? It's not exactly like Spirit bomb destroys the soul or anything as Freeza and Vegeta can attest.
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Brawlers can't phase through attacks usually.
And Kid Buu is also basically a wild animal. No grace or technique.
Making for someone this fast...
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This one is special, Zoon, the reverse flash complimented Superman's speed.
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Superman ain't exactly getting speed blitzed here. He will see those attacks coming. And with his phasing, Buu is gonna have some trouble hitting him.
Superman can also cat illusions and enter the Theta state, that doesn't exactly scream "brawler who can't throw a straight punch" to me.
No, I'm speaking of his normal way of fighting, phasing through attacks is different from what I meant.

Kid Buu isn't a wild animal in his fighting style he's just unpredictable. If you saying Buu is talentless, then you're pretty much saying a much experienced Goku is a crappy fighter compared to his inexperienced past self. Goku practically praises Buu a few times I believe and die to him being able to mimic peoples attacks and abilities (Kamehameha and Instant Transmission) he could potentially steal some of the basic Kryptonian abilities like heat vision etc.

Buu might have trouble but so will Supes, don't forget Buu can manipulate his body with extremely efficacy. I wasn't saying he's an overall brawler, just that he usually goes in a brawl when meeting a new for. The scan of Doomsday he already knew how tough he was, Kid Buu's an enigma as far as he knows.

Edit: My grammar's off atm.
Boo is a terrible fighter though. There are many times when he would be dead were it not for his regeneration, even against weaker opponents. Boo can only put up a fight because he can take the hits and keep on ticking without any problem.
Not according to Goku, and he'd only be dead against ki blasts that would normally be fatal. I'm talking hand to hand, not his endurance and resilience.
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When did Goku say that?
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How hot are post crisis Supes beams?

I highly doubt Buu could regenerate from them if he can get them as hot as a star or even close.
Why would there be smoke if Supes completely destroyed him? Unless his beams are weak but that seems doubtful.

Either he obliterates Buu and wins or he obliterates Buu over and over until he says "f*** it" and lifts the chunk of rocks Buu's entrails are on and flies them to the nearest star, destroying Buu entirely.


Considering Vegeta and Goku could handily fly away from Kid Buu's attacks while having a conversation in no more than SSj2 and not even leaving the wasteland they were in Supes should have no issues dodging Ki attacks.
Not to mention unlike Goku and Vegeta he has the option of just going in to space.



A more interesting fight would be Frieza with Buu's abilities, strength and magical status vs Superman 'cause how the f*** would Superman deal with the Kienzan? He can mash Frieza up but those things will keep chasing him and who says Frieza is limited to two at that level of strength.
(ignore the fact that he doesn't bother using such a hax technique in RoF...just ignore...the whole thing)
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Dec 26 2015, 01:45 AM
How hot are post crisis Supes beams?

I highly doubt Buu could regenerate from them if he can get them as hot as a star or even close.
Why would there be smoke if Supes completely destroyed him? Unless his beams are weak but that seems doubtful.

Either he obliterates Buu and wins or he obliterates Buu over and over until he says "f*** it" and lifts the chunk of rocks Buu's entrails are on and flies them to the nearest star, destroying Buu entirely.


Considering Vegeta and Goku could handily fly away from Kid Buu's attacks while having a conversation in no more than SSj2 and not even leaving the wasteland they were in Supes should have no issues dodging Ki attacks.
Not to mention unlike Goku and Vegeta he has the option of just going in to space.



A more interesting fight would be Frieza with Buu's abilities, strength and magical status vs Superman 'cause how the f*** would Superman deal with the Kienzan? He can mash Frieza up but those things will keep chasing him and who says Frieza is limited to two at that level of strength.
(ignore the fact that he doesn't bother using such a hax technique in RoF...just ignore...the whole thing)
Doesn't matter how hot his beams are they will still form smoke. Supes doesn't have a means of completely wiping him out physically or with projectiles. If you're using that particular instance to imply their ki blasts travel slow then I could say Piccolo blast at the moon makes them faster then light.
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Doesn't matter how hot his beams are they will still form smoke. Supes doesn't have a means of completely wiping him out physically or with projectiles. If you're using that particular instance to imply their ki blasts travel slow then I could say Piccolo blast at the moon makes them faster then light.
That's not how heat works there doesn't always have to be something left over, especially not if you're reaching solar temperatures.


Doesn't really matter when Kid Buu never displayed anything without doubt as fast as the moon blast and powerful enough to kill Supes at the same time. Plus that happened way back, it's completely inconsistent to later speed related events.

Fast moves are usually piss weak hence why Death Beam bounces off the face of someone as strong or slightly stronger than the user. Charged moves like Final Flash being an exception.
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Enlighten me on the heat specifics then.

He doesn't have to display a faster ki blast in order to show he can replicate what piccolo did. If you go that route you're making Piccolo essentially having faster and more destructive power then a being who's literally out of his league, that won't work in relation to the fact that stronger characters can easily outpace Piccolo's blast. If you think it's inconsistent, then that little moment too was a inconsistency.

Fast moves? So the ray gun is superior to the Death Beam now?

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I'm not saying Buu is anywhere near Superman in raw strength and speed, but Buu is magic and Superman is weak to magic attacks hence Superman is weak against Trident of Neptune and spells.


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=n4LQJENo0w0


I have a weir question, since Buu had no trouble with copying Goku's KKH, Kaioshin IT, Vegeta's moves, can he copy Superman's moves?
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I don't know about Superman's magic problem so I'll compare the characters based on there physical stats, and unfortunately Kid Buu stands no change here (unless it's Anime Kid Buu).

Manga Buu doesn't have all that many feats really, as far as physical strength goes he can't even make a crater as big as SSJ3 Gotenks did since he's weaker, and in the speed department he's not near lightspeed yet. On the other hand Post Crisis Superman has FTL speed and can also hit far far harder. The only way I can see Kid Buu winning is if he hits Superman with ki attacks (which would beat Supes).

I don'tbknow how weak in magic attacks Superman is so I can't say much here, but it was shown that if Buu suffers heavy physical beating then he can lose, so yeah regeneration will only grant him more time.
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Weird thing I noticed lately too, it seems Buu lost a bit of his endurance considering his bout with Beerus. Though that's DBS which nerfed everyone not a pure saiyan. Basically if this is kid Buu going off of current canon and not ole' Z Superman should be able to punch him to win.
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Enlighten me on the heat specifics then.

He doesn't have to display a faster ki blast in order to show he can replicate what piccolo did. If you go that route you're making Piccolo essentially having faster and more destructive power then a being who's literally out of his league, that won't work in relation to the fact that stronger characters can easily outpace Piccolo's blast. If you think it's inconsistent, then that little moment too was a inconsistency.

Fast moves? So the ray gun is superior to the Death Beam now?

Or the feat isn't what people think/shouldn't be counted 'cause it's inconsistent.

You can't base DBZ speed of DB when s*** tons of stuff in DBZ makes the DB feat the inconsistent one.
Goku going 10,000km in a second or two being amazing.
Characters being late ever.
People dodging energy blasts when they're clearly not that fast.
The Kid Buu thing.
Super Buu taking ages to catch up to Goku and Vegeta, a distance that could at absolute best be about 20,000km.

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The Solar Flare thing
The moon blast
And Popo's "lightning" comment if you take it literally.


Why should the older, out of date series with far less high speed related feats be taken as law for the series when so much more discounts it as mere inconsistency?

Energy attacks generally appear to be slower, hence why they miss most of the time and are pretty much useless, unless you're far more powerful than someone or are using it to combat anothers technique.
Obviously Goku could have just dodged Galic Gun but that would have meant the Earth being destroyed.


EDIT I think we should just ignore Super really, it turns epic beasts of destruction in to dribbling babies with barely enough strength to keep their head up.

But if we were to go in to that, could probably be related to God Ki bypassing magic. Like Buu no longer just has his body smushed about he feels the hit.

Like when a Logia in One Piece is hit by Haki, kinda.
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I don't see any inconsistency

Solar flare was aim dodged

The moon is pretty close to the earth

Popo's Lightning statement should never be taken literally outside the anime
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Superman being weak to magic used as an argument here is ridiculous. He defeated a sorcerer with enough power to beat the entire Justice League, a sorcerer that is certainly more powerful than Boo. Superman's heat vision can reach temperatures hotter than the Sun, and none of the small ki attacks displayed by Gotenks or Piccolo would have that much heat on them.

Superman's speed helps him a lot here, aside from how tough he is, he'll just throw Boo inside a star before he realizes what's going on.
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