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Star Wars VII: The Force Awakens
Topic Started: Dec 17 2015, 09:22 PM (3,801 Views)
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It truly was a Shawshank redemption

There's some backstory about Finn that explains his desertion. I think it's in a book called Before The Awakening and explains how he's never fully on board with the Stormtrooper methods e.g. one of his comrades, Slip (the guy who dies and wipes his blood on Finn), keeps slipping behind in missions (hence the nickname), and Finn goes back to save him and is later told he shouldn't do that. Obviously seeing his friend die in his first battle is the trigger for him to leave. It might have been better to have explained that in the film, but I guess they wanted people to buy the book and were hoping that the scene with the death/blood wiping would be enough (it was for me).

Also, yeah, like Emmeth said, they do make a big point about Kylo being injured, and you have to remember Finn has been trained in combat from an age so young he can't remember the family he was taken from (mentioned in Before The Awakening), not to mention being top of his class and pointed out to his fellow Stormtroopers-in-training as the gold standard. So Finn holding his own isn't as farfetched as people are making it out to be.

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The part where that stormtrooper kicks Finn's a*** was hilarious.
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I don't see what was wrong with Finn not wanting to be a Stormtrooper.

If he was cloned it would make sense but it was explained that they're taken from their families so why couldn't it be that deep down he's just not an evil person? Being forced in to training wouldn't necessarily make someone 100% evil. Could be his genes maybe his family were great people or something like that and that part of him never died.

I still think Kylo's performance was sad when you compare it to others.
For one thing he took the shoot from Chewy and he didn't even get knocked down so unless it was heavily weakened by the distance he was tough enough to not be blasted away like the Stormtroopers we saw get show by it.
Also it's doubtful his clothing is for show that's likely some kind of armour that made it do less damage, didn't look like it went right through anyway.
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Jan 8 2016, 10:17 PM
I still think Kylo's performance was sad when you compare it to others.
For one thing he took the shoot from Chewy and he didn't even get knocked down so unless it was heavily weakened by the distance he was tough enough to not be blasted away like the Stormtroopers we saw get show by it.
Also it's doubtful his clothing is for show that's likely some kind of armour that made it do less damage, didn't look like it went right through anyway.
You're comparing him to sith lords with way more experience and training, even Maul. It's stated several times that he's still learning and is struggling between light and dark. It might be underwhelming, but it's on purpose. I am almost convinced he will be much more fierceful and comparable to greater sithlords in the coming movies.
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I assume he didn't finish his training under Luke since it was cut short by him killing his fellow trainees. And Snoke mentions at the end of the film that "it's time to finish Ren's training", or something like that, so it's made clear that he's not fully trained and is far from a finished product.
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Jan 8 2016, 10:34 PM
You're comparing him to sith lords with way more experience and training, even Maul. It's stated several times that he's still learning and is struggling between light and dark. It might be underwhelming, but it's on purpose. I am almost convinced he will be much more fierceful and comparable to greater sithlords in the coming movies.
I'm comparing him to everyone seen in the series.

And also Rey she had no training what so ever and granted she probably wouldn't have won if he wasn't injured but watch Obi-Wan vs Anakin and try to picture someone like Finn lasting more than half a second against either of them in a serious fight.

I wonder what Luke's role will be in the series? I hope he has some sort of epic fight it'll suck if he basically does the same thing as Obi and gets himself killed, he should stick around and be like Yoda.



Also who could Rey's parents be if not Luke and someone else? From Luke's reaction to seeing her it seems likely she's his daughter but if not...who could possibly be that strong with the force?
If it is as simple as her being Luke's daughter I hope they just tell us instead of beating around the bush for two movies.
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Honestly if you ask me Finn should have done even better than that, maybe force Kylo into having to use a dirty trick to defeat Finn, using the force to make a tree fall onto Rey for example, during which he drops everything goes to save her and gets his back crushed by the tree for his trouble. At which point Rey is then able to pick up the lightsaber and fuel with Kylo. Or maybe they both work together to defeat him but then Finn gets hurt at the end or something.

I just feel Finn should have been able to do more, the way he went down felt unsatisfying.
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You're comparing him to sith lords with way more experience and training, even Maul. It's stated several times that he's still learning and is struggling between light and dark. It might be underwhelming, but it's on purpose. I am almost convinced he will be much more fierceful and comparable to greater sithlords in the coming movies.
I'm comparing him to everyone seen in the series.

And also Rey she had no training what so ever and granted she probably wouldn't have won if he wasn't injured but watch Obi-Wan vs Anakin and try to picture someone like Finn lasting more than half a second against either of them in a serious fight.

I wonder what Luke's role will be in the series? I hope he has some sort of epic fight it'll suck if he basically does the same thing as Obi and gets himself killed, he should stick around and be like Yoda.



Also who could Rey's parents be if not Luke and someone else? From Luke's reaction to seeing her it seems likely she's his daughter but if not...who could possibly be that strong with the force?
If it is as simple as her being Luke's daughter I hope they just tell us instead of beating around the bush for two movies.


Of course Finn wouldn't last that long against Maul, Dooku or Vader, that would be bizarre.
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Jan 9 2016, 02:57 PM
Honestly if you ask me Finn should have done even better than that, maybe force Kylo into having to use a dirty trick to defeat Finn, using the force to make a tree fall onto Rey for example, during which he drops everything goes to save her and gets his back crushed by the tree for his trouble. At which point Rey is then able to pick up the lightsaber and fuel with Kylo. Or maybe they both work together to defeat him but then Finn gets hurt at the end or something.

I just feel Finn should have been able to do more, the way he went down felt unsatisfying.


I kind of agree with you, but I don't think it was unsatisfying the way Finn went down. Finn isn't force sensitive, so he couldn't sense what Kylo Ren was going to do. He was taken advantage off because of that, even if he is a very skilled ex-stormtrooper.
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The Force Awakens is a decent movie. It's basically a Hodgepodge of the original Trilogy. The movie also manages to deliver some decent fan
services and bring back some Nostalgia. But, the kicker here, well at least for me, is that, it's the only thing this movie manages to bring about.
I mean aside from the fan service and Nostalgia it doesn't bring about or do much. What I mean, is that it's lacking a solid premise needed for the next two movies. So this is why I believe that the real Judgement of this new trilogy and J.J. Abrams will come about after the next two movies. It's in these next two movies that we will get the actual plot and will know how good/bad J.J. Abrams is in directing. As for, The Force Awakens, it's a solid 6.5/10 movie.Like I said before it's a decent movie which is filled decent amount of fan service and Nostalgia but is lacking a solid premise needed for the Next two movies.
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JJ Abrams is not going to direct the next two movies though.
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Interesting. Seems he is smart enough to avoid potential losses and smart enough to leverage potential profits. No wonder he did this movie. He seems to know how to play his cards well.
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Apparently SW:TFA might beat Avatar when it comes to box office.
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It WAS sudden, cause Stormtroopers shouldn't be able to question their actions, their training is way too hard and severe. This one somehow did, and for no reason, unless they decide to explain in the next one or in the director's cut of this one. Still, Finn shouldn't have been able to "break free" from the usual coldness from the average stormtrooper, unless that stormtrooper that died in front of him was too much for him which is doubtful.
It wasn't. He was fine until he saw his friend die, and being forced to kill innocent people drove him even further. Those are the reasons we're given, so there can be no doubt that was the part that was too much for him. We're not even given the specifics for why stormtroopers can't question their actions, so your claim that it's "way too hard and severe" (and even if it was the hardest/most severe thing ever doesn't mean that there aren't people who can resist it) doesn't really have any basis, and given Phasma's reaction, it's happened to others, Finn was just in a good position to do something about it. Presumably, in a normal situations, he'd just have been reconditioned.
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I didnt like it. Garbage may be most appropriate term to describe the film

Hype b4 its release was made-out to be next Avatar.

Movie was on-par with low-tier B-grade Hollywood flick

Garbage premise, yawn-inducing screen-play, pathetic character-relationships & absurdly ROFL climax/ending

Besides Rey (the girl was pretty. I'll admit. Was charming), none of the caricatures made an impact. You call this a film?

As a casual movie-goer, this film was crap-fest at best. Hrll, I can list-out dozens of fast-paced, thrilling & genuinely involving B-grade films made on shoe-string budget. Jack Ryan: Shadow Recruit, The Call, Taken, Brick Mansions etc

This awakens crap made many guys around me (in KLCC) to "awaken" post its end credits.

Talk abt beatin Avatar record eh?
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