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So how strong are base Goku and Vegeta now?
Topic Started: Dec 15 2015, 11:39 AM (3,894 Views)
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Like, i doubt they are Super Saiyan God levels. but maybe Buutenks? Even Vegito?
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They're stronger than thier Super Saiyan God levels

Beerus already confirms this
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Seriously? No way..
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Probably honestly, because of ssjg magic and Whis training. Without that they're weaker than fourth form Freeza.
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Their Base would be higher than Beerus (suppressed) in BOG
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well s***.. you'd think the power levels would be like this at the end of the series..
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Dec 15 2015, 12:30 PM
well s***.. you'd think the power levels would be like this at the end of the series..
They really want Goku and Vegeta to be strong. The boost is even more ridiculous with them being confirmed to only be Freeza level in base pre godforms.
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In universe I guess the power creep is "insane" but in context, according to the sorting algorithm of evil, they have to be just as badass in their base form as they were at maximum power last time, other wise they can't deal with the next antagonist who's a bigger threat than last season's big bad.
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Very strong.
Golden Freeza > SSGSS Goku/SSGSS Vegeta > Goku/Vegeta >~ Freeza(True Form) >(200+ times stronger going by his increase in the Freeza arc) > Freeza > Super Saiyan Gohan > Tagoma-Ginyu > Gohan ~ Tagoma > Piccolo
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They're stronger than thier Super Saiyan God levels

Beerus already confirms this

Citation, please.
Edited by ThePrinceOfSaiyans, Dec 15 2015, 02:08 PM.
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Strong enough to eclipse anyone else who isn't them. Because it's clear that they're the only ones whom Toei should focus on. Everyone else is little more than expendable measuring sticks for their indomitable strength or the power of the enemy.
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They're definitely surpassed ssg level its not even a debate
SbG feats in both movies and super confirms the s*** out of this
SbG Goku destroyed a sphere of destruction which was superior to the Previous ball of energy that he couldn't handle before powering up
When he fought as a super saiyan vegeta said he surpassed ssg
In bog he held his own against70% Beerus in base briefly
In super he took an attack and blast from unrestrained Beerus
Buutenks tiers get one shotted by supressed beerus this is not even a debate
They are on ssg level
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100% Beerus>Ssb(champa arc)>Ssb(fnf)>SbG(champa arc)>SbG(fnf)>SbG=<(post god super saiyan) in super and bog there was an unnoticeable transition between the forms and goku didn't even know he left ssg and didn't even know he transformed into a super saiyan=>Mastered SsG(broken limit,in the middle of the clash where he got stronger while in beam struggle)(i go with > due to vegeta stating goku surpassed ssg)>Mastered Ssg(after Goku came out the water)>initial SSG>10% Beerus=>Rageta's galick gun(tanked it with no damage so likely>)>Vegito>Rageta>Drastically suppressed Beerus>Buutenks(likely buuhan as well)>ultimate gohan,Gotenks ,Vegeta and Goku.
And honestly i have champa around initial ssg level cause him and Beerus fought before but Beerus still puts his fight with goku at #2 and not champa at #1.
SbG feats-survival of unrestrained Beerus blast(likely not100% but above 70%)
Survival of Beerus unrestrained tail smack
Holding own against 70% Beerus
Destroying sphere of destruction( which was superior to the universal dense energy ball)
Almost land hit on whis,resulting in whis losing strand of hair
Etc.
Don't let the black hair blind you of the feats
SbG Goku and Vegeta are >initial ssg Goku by a large margin
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Dec 15 2015, 11:44 AM
Probably honestly, because of ssjg magic and Whis training. Without that they're weaker than fourth form Freeza.
I don't think this was ever confirmed explicitly. If you're referring to Beerus saying "I don't think you could have defeated Freeza like this", then it's a line open to interpretation.
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Dec 17 2015, 12:07 AM
Tin Man
Dec 15 2015, 11:44 AM
Probably honestly, because of ssjg magic and Whis training. Without that they're weaker than fourth form Freeza.
I don't think this was ever confirmed explicitly. If you're referring to Beerus saying "I don't think you could have defeated Freeza like this", then it's a line open to interpretation.
Beerus said Goku didn't seem like he could actually defeat Freeza, but then immediately better up that Goku could transform and asked about that.

The way I see it is pretty clear cut, ssj Goku>Freeza>base Goku

The latter statement, street ssj, is more open to interpretation.
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Dec 17 2015, 12:07 AM
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Dec 15 2015, 11:44 AM
Probably honestly, because of ssjg magic and Whis training. Without that they're weaker than fourth form Freeza.
I don't think this was ever confirmed explicitly. If you're referring to Beerus saying "I don't think you could have defeated Freeza like this", then it's a line open to interpretation.
I figured the writers thought we wouldn't remember way back when. After all that training on Planet Yardrat, the Hyperbolic Time Chamber and in Other World, just in his base form he should easily be able to annihilate Frieza at the level he was on Namek.
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