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| So how strong are base Goku and Vegeta now? | |
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| Tweet Topic Started: Dec 15 2015, 11:39 AM (3,892 Views) | |
| Instant Transmission | Dec 15 2015, 11:39 AM Post #1 |
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Like, i doubt they are Super Saiyan God levels. but maybe Buutenks? Even Vegito? |
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Dec 15 2015, 11:40 AM Post #2 |
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They're stronger than thier Super Saiyan God levels Beerus already confirms this |
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| Instant Transmission | Dec 15 2015, 11:42 AM Post #3 |
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Seriously? No way.. |
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| Tinny | Dec 15 2015, 11:44 AM Post #4 |
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Probably honestly, because of ssjg magic and Whis training. Without that they're weaker than fourth form Freeza. |
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| Billa | Dec 15 2015, 12:16 PM Post #5 |
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Thala na Gethu!
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Their Base would be higher than Beerus (suppressed) in BOG |
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| Instant Transmission | Dec 15 2015, 12:30 PM Post #6 |
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well s***.. you'd think the power levels would be like this at the end of the series.. |
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| Tinny | Dec 15 2015, 12:51 PM Post #7 |
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They really want Goku and Vegeta to be strong. The boost is even more ridiculous with them being confirmed to only be Freeza level in base pre godforms. |
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| TheACE | Dec 15 2015, 01:14 PM Post #8 |
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Moon Plothole Powers go! In universe I guess the power creep is "insane" but in context, according to the sorting algorithm of evil, they have to be just as badass in their base form as they were at maximum power last time, other wise they can't deal with the next antagonist who's a bigger threat than last season's big bad. |
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| + ThePrinceOfSaiyans | Dec 15 2015, 02:06 PM Post #9 |
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Very strong. Golden Freeza > SSGSS Goku/SSGSS Vegeta > Goku/Vegeta >~ Freeza(True Form) >(200+ times stronger going by his increase in the Freeza arc) > Freeza > Super Saiyan Gohan > Tagoma-Ginyu > Gohan ~ Tagoma > Piccolo
Citation, please. Edited by ThePrinceOfSaiyans, Dec 15 2015, 02:08 PM.
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| Thiln | Dec 15 2015, 02:27 PM Post #10 |
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Strong enough to eclipse anyone else who isn't them. Because it's clear that they're the only ones whom Toei should focus on. Everyone else is little more than expendable measuring sticks for their indomitable strength or the power of the enemy. |
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| Timothy | Dec 15 2015, 07:31 PM Post #11 |
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They're definitely surpassed ssg level its not even a debate SbG feats in both movies and super confirms the s*** out of this SbG Goku destroyed a sphere of destruction which was superior to the Previous ball of energy that he couldn't handle before powering up When he fought as a super saiyan vegeta said he surpassed ssg In bog he held his own against70% Beerus in base briefly In super he took an attack and blast from unrestrained Beerus Buutenks tiers get one shotted by supressed beerus this is not even a debate They are on ssg level |
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| Timothy | Dec 15 2015, 11:10 PM Post #12 |
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100% Beerus>Ssb(champa arc)>Ssb(fnf)>SbG(champa arc)>SbG(fnf)>SbG=<(post god super saiyan) in super and bog there was an unnoticeable transition between the forms and goku didn't even know he left ssg and didn't even know he transformed into a super saiyan=>Mastered SsG(broken limit,in the middle of the clash where he got stronger while in beam struggle)(i go with > due to vegeta stating goku surpassed ssg)>Mastered Ssg(after Goku came out the water)>initial SSG>10% Beerus=>Rageta's galick gun(tanked it with no damage so likely>)>Vegito>Rageta>Drastically suppressed Beerus>Buutenks(likely buuhan as well)>ultimate gohan,Gotenks ,Vegeta and Goku. And honestly i have champa around initial ssg level cause him and Beerus fought before but Beerus still puts his fight with goku at #2 and not champa at #1. SbG feats-survival of unrestrained Beerus blast(likely not100% but above 70%) Survival of Beerus unrestrained tail smack Holding own against 70% Beerus Destroying sphere of destruction( which was superior to the universal dense energy ball) Almost land hit on whis,resulting in whis losing strand of hair Etc. Don't let the black hair blind you of the feats SbG Goku and Vegeta are >initial ssg Goku by a large margin |
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| Xfing | Dec 17 2015, 12:07 AM Post #13 |
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I don't think this was ever confirmed explicitly. If you're referring to Beerus saying "I don't think you could have defeated Freeza like this", then it's a line open to interpretation. |
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| Tinny | Dec 17 2015, 12:26 AM Post #14 |
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Beerus said Goku didn't seem like he could actually defeat Freeza, but then immediately better up that Goku could transform and asked about that. The way I see it is pretty clear cut, ssj Goku>Freeza>base Goku The latter statement, street ssj, is more open to interpretation. |
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| Dougla$ | Dec 17 2015, 11:25 PM Post #15 |
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I figured the writers thought we wouldn't remember way back when. After all that training on Planet Yardrat, the Hyperbolic Time Chamber and in Other World, just in his base form he should easily be able to annihilate Frieza at the level he was on Namek. |
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