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| Super Episode 23 (13 December 2015) | |
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| caryslan | Dec 14 2015, 04:41 AM Post #46 |
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So, what do you want? Gohan to powerup to his Ultimate Form and get beat up by First Form Frezia for 10 mins? He's badly out of shape, and badly wounded. Its not even like on Namek where he had been training and drew out his power in anger with a body that was in pretty good shape. Gohan being so weak does not bother me since they have taken the trouble to explain why his power is so much less, and that he could regain that power if he applied himself. If Toei could run with this idea, it could develop Gohan even further as a character. But more then likely, they will go back to him going home and living his life with his wife and daughter despite the constant threats that Earth has faced. And Yamcha never had any dignity show to him. For all of his skill and power as a fighter, he's had a broken leg by Tien's hands, been headbutted in the groin by Kami who was in a weak human's body, was the only human warrior not to survive to fight the Sayians directly,l Got gutted by Number 20, and even lost Bulma to Vegeta. His best moments come in early Dragon Ball, and in filler where he helped defeat the Ginyu Force. Gohan at least got to have a good showing against the revived Ginyu. Had Yamcha shown up, he likely would have fared even worse then Roshi against Frezia's men. Gohan may have some bad moments, but at least he still has a family, and enough power to be the third strongest fighter on earth. Poor Yamcha's most memorable moments are the ones where something bad happens to him or filler. Even the Pilaf Gang have gotten more bones tossed their way. |
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| caryslan | Dec 14 2015, 04:49 AM Post #47 |
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I understand Goku jumping on Vegeta about killing Ginyu was a throwback to the Namek saga where he chewed Vegeta out over killing the other members of the Ginyu force, but you would think he of all people would understand the dangers of keeping Ginyu alive. As far as the series is concerned, there is no upper limit on what bodies Ginyu can switch into. Why take the chance of Ginyu taking the body of himself or Vegeta? Or even worse, Beerus or Whis when they show up? For someone who is supposed to be a talented fighter, Goku would have blown a major call there. Simply beating up Ginyu is not enough, in fact that's what Ginyu would want. His old body to be damaged to the point of being useless. Vegeta made the right call. Ginyu is too dangerous to be kept alive. He won't turn, he's too loyal to Frezia and anyother action short of trapping him in a weaker form is useless. Edited by caryslan, Dec 14 2015, 04:52 AM.
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| Tinny | Dec 14 2015, 05:11 AM Post #48 |
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Yes. Frankly yes, I would have preferred that immensely and would have been happy had I known this was the alternative., if he had to hold out against Freeza and survive long enough for Goku to get back, that'd be great. What happened here just reeks of how they see Gohan as the nerd. It's even worse here since he kicked his own a*** by powering up AFTER VOWING TO TRAIN MORE! He evidently doesn't have the discipline to apply himself at this point considering how far he's fallen from even the BoG arc. If he had his a*** handed to him I wouldn't mind that much, it happened in the movie after all, Freeza one shot him, so maybe here he manages to hold their attention while Goku and Vegeta come back with Whis or something. It would have been a thousand times better. But they're too busy s***ting on Gohan to make something as respectful as a Nappa style fight. Gohan has been treated pathetically to where he can't even power up without hurting himself and looking so so feeling sad ![]() This is Gohan now, and anyone who liked him even a bit can go f*** themselves for all TOEI cares. Toei won't run with that. If we're lucky they'll forget he exists Yamcha never injured himself by powering up. He was always considered a fighter and when he lost it was a showing of the opponent's strength, defeating Yamcha meant you were dangerous. Gohan nearly died while powering up and looked so pathetic. Comparing Yamcha to Gohan in terms of respect given is like comparing Vegeta to a random preliminary fighter. I really don't think I've seen anyone in Dragon Ball treated this pathetically. Ever. It's disgusting that it had to happen to Gohan as well, Heck it'd still be horrible if it was Chiaoutzu for example. Edited by Tinny, Dec 14 2015, 05:19 AM.
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| + Solid Snake | Dec 14 2015, 06:24 AM Post #49 |
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Smh, I honestly had high hopes for Gohan when I saw Piccolo get down, I was all hyped thinking he was powering up to force Frieza to use that final form and the dude passes out standing up like a wimp. I'm sorry Gohan fans but I think y'all should consider another character. Thus was likely his last shot at redeeming what respect he had prior the BoG arc. He's not getting no shine in U6 arc so I give up on him. Gohan isn't my favorite character but he definitely deserved much better then what episode 23 gave him. That's just f***ed up. |
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| Tinny | Dec 14 2015, 12:00 PM Post #50 |
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The amazing part is that Gohan pretty much was rocketing to favorite based on his appearances in Super, especially since Goku and Vegeta have regressed so much as characters. It seems like everyone in Super is either irrelevant or an a*****. Screw this, BoG and FnF are canon, thus is filler crap,, and I can just read the manga and waste less time if I really need to see what is going onin Super. Consider another character- who? Vegeta has regressed as a character, Goku is completely unlikable, and everyone else is worthless. Edited by Tinny, Dec 14 2015, 12:11 PM.
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| + ThePrinceOfSaiyans | Dec 14 2015, 05:34 PM Post #51 |
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Personally, I wanted Gohan to power up, stalemate Freeza for maybe a minute, while showing signs that he's strained, much like Goku does when using Kaioken against Vegeta. Yes, if Toei went somewhere with this, I could maybe forgive their utter lack of respect for the character up to this point, but Chapter 6 would suggest Gohan is still a slacker by Goku's own admission. Maybe it will be revealed that he's wrong, and that Gohan will actively choose to participate, but I'm not getting my hopes up.
I'm still not seeing this to be honest. Saiyans can't shake their will to fight, and Vegeta is using Kakarotto as motivation to surpass his limits. If Vegeta were to ever let himself become possessed to fight Goku again, I'd agree, but as things stand now, he seems fine. Edited by ThePrinceOfSaiyans, Dec 14 2015, 05:38 PM.
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| EMIYA | Dec 14 2015, 06:20 PM Post #52 |
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Vegeta at least by the start of Super had regressed, going back to that typical all about me format where he was so desperate to surpass Goku and be #1. However compared to what happened to the other characters like Goku, Beerus, Boo, Gohan etc who changed vastly from what they were in the past, Vegeta's change isn't nearly as notable perhaps and as Super has gone on, Vegeta does seem to have gotten away from that stereotype that he was in before. I guess the difference is that Vegeta ma have digressed a bit, but people like Goku, Boo, Beerus, Gohan, Krillin...everyone...has digressed to the point where many of them have become straight up unlikable. Vegeta at least still gives off that sense of....well...Vegeta. It helps perhaps that Vegeta is at least showing a measure of intelligence whether morally sound or not while everone else is just a raging idiot who acts out on instinct. Vegeta has been the only one remaining somewhat calm and analytical and honestly at this point, while I certainly don't like him, if I had to choose between rooting between him and Super Goku, I'd gladly choose Vegeta all the way. Everyone else is just so badly written now a days. |
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| Kblo247 | Dec 14 2015, 11:27 PM Post #53 |
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Part of Vegeta to me early in super isn't so much surpassing Goku as primary focus as being the guy who wants to protect himself and his own over relying on Goku. Vegeta changed. He took his son to an amusement park and his wife despite numerous people bumping and touching him. He made a fool of himself to protect the others. He fights to defend his wife. He refuses a free power up just to surpass Goku as he tuned the ritual down when Goku said we will do you next. He got on his knees and asked to be taught, he played maid, did chores, listened to others, and even sleeps in the same room as Goku without killing him every night. Vegeta will never lose his edge.. Hell he didn't lose it in gt either when it came to fight, but his personality has changed as a whole. He and Bulma are our consistency |
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| UncleGoten | Dec 14 2015, 11:53 PM Post #54 |
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I edited some clips from Episodes 22 and 23 into what should have happened with Gohan ![]() Spoiler: click to toggle
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| + QueenTD | Dec 15 2015, 12:06 AM Post #55 |
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Piccolo died huh? He's the only character to die in all 4 series |
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| + Clearin | Dec 18 2015, 07:47 PM Post #56 |
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I change my mind about Gohan's scene. Turns out it's not even a rage boost, it was a concious decision by Gohan to raise his power as much as possible just to get Goku's attention. Keep in mind that base Vegeta couldn't be sensed from Earth, but SSj/2 Gohan could be sensed here, so Gohan actually raised his power to a pretty relevant amount (at least relevant for the last saga). On top of that, Gohan did this when his body was basically dying. He was warned that powering up might kill him. Gohan effectively tortured himself to get Goku to the battlefield. That's badass as f***, and now him passing out makes a lot of sense. If anything the fact he ONLY passed out instead of died makes Gohan look amazing here, rather than trash. |
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| Instant Transmission | Dec 18 2015, 07:50 PM Post #57 |
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but why did you realize that it was his goal just now? Didn't you read the massive summary that started the thread? i'm just curious. Edited by Instant Transmission, Dec 18 2015, 07:52 PM.
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| + Clearin | Dec 18 2015, 07:56 PM Post #58 |
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I just rewatched the episode (or part of it). When a new episode comes out I watch it RAW, then follow Herm's tweets which give some details on the episode, then read the Kanzenshuu thread for what others are saying. Then when the summary comes out I skim it over, since by then I've got the basic gist of it all. I stopped watching subbed episode a while back because frankly I wasn't interested enough in the series to watch it again, but I felt like watching this one, and upon watching that scene really respected a scene I hated the first time. I did skim the summary here, but I didn't see that Gohan's entire goal was to summon Goku. I knew that it was Gohan's power that Goku sensed, but I got the impression that Gohan got a rage boost. Not like anyone corrected me, and other people were also mentioning rage boosts. Also the summary doesn't make it quite as clear just how much torture Gohan was putting himself through. Also another small thing I noticed which isn't on the summary. When Goku teleports Piccolo to Dende, Vegeta supports Gohan as he walks him back to the other group. That's a pretty nice thing for Vegeta to do. Edited by Clearin, Dec 18 2015, 07:58 PM.
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| Instant Transmission | Dec 18 2015, 07:58 PM Post #59 |
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You watch it raw? Savage! as for the quote "In fact, it turns out that raising his ki high enough to summon Goku had been Gohan’s goal all along". beginning of the 4th paragraph. come to think of it, the new "episode 24" post has the exact same quote. |
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| + Clearin | Dec 18 2015, 08:02 PM Post #60 |
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I watch it live with friends. Pretty much the best way to watch Super is with other people so you can make fun of it while you watch. And yeah, I edited my last point to go into further detail: "Also the summary doesn't make it quite as clear just how much torture Gohan was putting himself through". Other people seemed to hate the scene as much as me, and say how it treated Gohan badly, so I never would have imagined the scene played out as it actually did. I don't know why people would call this treating Gohan badly. It shows a great deal of bravery for putting himself through that kind of pain, including potential death, just so everyone else can have a chance of survival. The episode 24 thread was made too early. Episode 24 has no summary since it doesn't air until tomorrow (or technically Sunday in Japan). They re-used episode 23's summary. Edited by Clearin, Dec 18 2015, 08:02 PM.
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