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| The "Mystic" Gohan situation | |
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| UncleGoten | Dec 11 2015, 04:22 AM Post #1 |
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What in the hell are Toei doing with his potential unlock? Is it now considered a transformation? Has it just faded away and that's why he's using Super Saiyan again? The quotes from Gohan in episode 22 about him not being able to utilize his full power due to him slacking off is weird. It's been like 3 years since he was the kicking Super Boo's a***, and now he's just so weak and can't even fight properly. What about those 7 years after The Cell Games, that was over double the amount of time of him not training yet he didn't have any problems controlling his power. Only reason I can come up with is that the Potential Unlock is behind power issues... |
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| FutureProtagonist | Dec 11 2015, 04:25 AM Post #2 |
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Well, it's like this: Just accept it lol. Edited by FutureProtagonist, Dec 11 2015, 04:25 AM.
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| + ThePrinceOfSaiyans | Dec 11 2015, 02:23 PM Post #3 |
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Toei has always treated the Ultimate state like it's a power up. Look no further than M13 as evidence of this fact. Battle of Gods and Super also show us that he has to power up to that state. Due to a lack of training, he can't access his full potential, and has to rely on Super Saiyan to attain that power. Personally, I have no problem with this. Super Saiyan Gohan has always looked cooler than Ultimate Gohan.
5 years to be more precise. It could very well be that Gohan was at the cusp of losing the ability to power up without having to turn Super Saiyan when Beerus showed up. That extra 10 months cemented his inability to power up without having to turn Super Saiyan.
Well, Gohan hasn't gotten weaker per say, he just has to rely on Super Saiyan to utilize his full power. At least, that seems to be the implication. I mean, Gohan had trouble using Super Saiyan 2 after those 7 years, so is this really any different? Perhaps with a bit of training, he could easily access the ultimate state again. Edited by ThePrinceOfSaiyans, Dec 11 2015, 02:53 PM.
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| + Ssj3vegito96 | Dec 11 2015, 03:39 PM Post #4 |
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So you're saying ssj gohan=mystic gohan now? Are you sure about?? |
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| + ThePrinceOfSaiyans | Dec 11 2015, 04:06 PM Post #5 |
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That's what I assume is the case. It's certainly open to interpretation. |
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| EMIYA | Dec 12 2015, 02:42 AM Post #6 |
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I think its obvious that the entire point of "Mystic" was to essentially take every last bit of potential Gohan has whether its from his rage, Super Saiyan forms or anything that amounts to potential for Gohan and basically putting it all into one spot. So at this point Gohan's potential to become an SSJ3 or something is now put into a singular place. But of course Toei treats it like a legitimate transformation and it seems that all of Gohan's so called potential power is being declined. I'm not sure if its even possible, as far the DBZverse goes at least, for people to lose the potential energy they get. Although I guess its not like every time Gohan got a rage boost he kept it either. But either way it really makes Gohan look very bad when he's gotten so weak and inept that he can't even control his own power now and his potential, once significantly over Super Boo, is now on a questionable point of around Good Boo if not seemingly lower. |
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| + Solid Snake | Dec 12 2015, 04:44 AM Post #7 |
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I have no clue what they're doing with his potential beyond limits. It kinda was in my opinion, not exactly a transformation but a power up if you will. He hasn't been training so it natural (unnatural by Super's standard however) that he's no longer able to tap into that well of power he had access to during the Buu saga. For the rest that's kinda hard to explain. Also, just cause he uses Super Saiyan is probably to do with the fact that his current base state (which I guess houses his potential unlock status) is simply not as used to that level he was at before since it was after all an outside source, but that's debatable. Super Saiyan might just have more power then what he can draw from his weaker base/potential unlock status. |
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| Instant Transmission | Dec 12 2015, 06:07 AM Post #8 |
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if you see Super Saiyan as a transformation that allows you access more power then it makes sense. For example if Goku's -total- power caps at 1 million, and his base form caps at 100k, since his body is too weak to get it all or something, then he goes Super Saiyan, his body is much stronger and he has access to his full power. you could think of it like that. I see Gohans potential unleash as his Full Super Saiyan (2) Powers in his base form, as if his base form was powerful enough to contain it all. what his SSJ2 powers would have been if he trained 7 years like Goku/Vegeta. If you see Super Saiyan as a multiplier, then idk.. Personally, i think Gohan has to go Super Saiyan in order to have access to his power since his body is too weak, even too weak to sustain the Transformation. And i believe Gohan would need to ascend into Super Saiyan 2 in order to be as strong as his Buu wrecking self. OR Throw a fit, get pissed, Rage Gohan. I see him potentially even busting Freeza's 1st form up. I hope that happens Edited by Instant Transmission, Dec 12 2015, 06:11 AM.
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| + Pyrus | Dec 12 2015, 07:55 AM Post #9 |
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I thought it was ridiculously clear in the manga that this isn't a "transformation" for Gohan. It's a new state of being. Every ounce of his latent power and then some was migrated and assimilated into his base state, thus he had no use for further transformations like Super Saiyan. He was simply Gohan at 150%. Obviously Toei took the scene where Gohan "powers up" into the state and ignored everything else (like him being stronger than his father, for instance). Of course, it's easier to make it a transformation because then they can exclude it by having Gohan become so pathetically weak he can't even use basic Super Saiyan, let alone something that far transcends it. |
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| Zoom | Dec 12 2015, 08:11 AM Post #10 |
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I wouldn't blame Toei entirely, Toriyama's explanation in the Buu arc wasn't perfect, Old Kaioshin instructed Gohan to do that super--whatever. |
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| + Pyrus | Dec 12 2015, 09:00 AM Post #11 |
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That's exactly what Toei took while ignoring the end result. |
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| Thiln | Dec 12 2015, 09:22 AM Post #12 |
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The potential of Saiyans like Gohan is intrinsically linked to the Super Saiyan form. If I were to try and come up with an explanation for what we saw while he was powering up after Elder Kai's ritual, it's possible that his attempt to transform after his potential unlocked was essentially his way of accessing the power his species' transformations provide while placing it in his normal state, hence the sharpened expression that's commonly associated with SSJ. By itself the Mystic state is merely access to one's latent power plus whatever is added on top as a bonus. I don't believe the situation would be the same if someone like Piccolo or Tien received Elder Kai's ritual and became Mystic. It really doesn't make sense for Gohan to somehow "lose" that state or regress back to a lowly Super Saiyan after merely 3-4 years. Potential is potential whether you've trained or not. Unless it's explained at a later point that without upkeep, the magic involved begins rapidly deteriorating the recipient's Ki and power then I'm going to chalk it up to the writers doing whatever they can to make Gohan appear inferior and meek for the sake of playing up the villain and placing his older counterparts on a pedestal. |
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| + ThePrinceOfSaiyans | Dec 12 2015, 01:14 PM Post #13 |
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It was clearly a new state of being. Gohan's eyes are a clear distinction: Spoiler: click to toggle And Gohan keeps this distinction even after he died. Spoiler: click to toggle Interestingly enough, Dragon Ball Super keeps this distinction until the RF arc: Spoiler: click to toggle I guess what happened is a lack of training forced all the extra energy he was granted by Elder Kaioshin into his Super Saiyan form. I'm not sure if or how they'll explain Gohan's appearance at the end of Z, but then, how this all fits into the end of Z is already a mystery. Edited by ThePrinceOfSaiyans, Dec 12 2015, 05:13 PM.
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| highwaysaiyan | Dec 12 2015, 11:38 PM Post #14 |
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first ill start with that super is not dbz ! its almost a completely different anime. i accepted it long ago so dont expect the same things. gohan during the 7 years slacked off but he still trained. he didnt train like a person on his level should have, but he still try to keep in shape. during the time between dbz ending and super he was a super geeky college boy. he barely picked up a ball. he even lost the muscle mass he had before. about the mystic gohan thing 'mystic gohan' is a fan name to gohan after he unlocked his immense inner power. he was so strong he didnt even need to transform to ssj against buu. transforming costs stamina, so if transforming is not necessary, its better to avoid it. in this case gohan had to transform because his current body that is out of shape doesnt have enough strength to fight these aliens. EDIT: every or at least most characters on DBZ has power in them that need some kind of pushing to go outside. krillin had his by the namekian elder, vegeta had his by babidi's spell, goku had his after drinking the cup in DB and gohan had his after the ritual by that old guy (forgot his name). gohan power isnt like the rest of the characters. he is unique because he has an immense amount of ki hidden inside of him. it is so immense that it leaks out when he was angry (before ritual). after the ritual every unused power he had inside of him got out and ready for use. unfortunately, he does not possess the talent for battle goku and vegeta has. and again, potential power is not something magical, its just unused power that is unreachable by training alone. Edited by highwaysaiyan, Dec 12 2015, 11:53 PM.
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| highwaysaiyan | Dec 13 2015, 12:04 AM Post #15 |
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i think it was very clear. the english version was not clear at all, the japanese was clearer and the manga is clear with almost everything. the best example is the kid buu battle. in the anime goku go ssj2 and fight kid buu almost as equals. and then vegeta stepped in and got b*** slapped all over the place. (even though ssj2 vegeta vs ssj2 goku were equals). on the manga goku never fought buu as ssj2, actually there wasnt any form of buu who ever touched the fist of goku as anything lower than ssj3. by the way, if gohan was in shape, he could woop the a*** of anyone except for god tiers. |
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