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the "feeling" of dbs is horrible , CRINGE WORTHY
Topic Started: Dec 10 2015, 08:10 PM (3,289 Views)
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Dec 14 2015, 10:14 PM
Alright that's fair. But in the end, it's fantasy.
Are you sure it's not reality?

The wall between Reality and fantasy, sometimes so small?


Honestly I don't really feel that's an excuse, honestly I'm not even sure what exactly that means.

In any case it's a purely constructed fantasy, and honestly I can barely even finish the episodes anymore.

We don't know honestly, the last thing he wrote was FnF and BoG really. More so than before, but Super for many reasons feels more childish, and in the worse way possible.
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Dec 14 2015, 10:20 PM
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Dec 14 2015, 10:14 PM
Alright that's fair. But in the end, it's fantasy.
Are you sure it's not reality?

The wall between Reality and fantasy, sometimes so small?


Honestly I don't really feel that's an excuse, honestly I'm not even sure what exactly that means.

In any case it's a purely constructed fantasy, and honestly I can barely even finish the episodes anymore.

We don't know honestly, the last thing he wrote was FnF and BoG really. More so than before, but Super for many reasons feels more childish, and in the worse way possible.
Why is it not an excuse? A writer can make his own in-universe rules as long as in the end it's entertaining to some audience.

Maybe you can't watch because you're not in the target audience.

Don't forget Jaco.
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Dec 14 2015, 10:31 PM
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Dec 14 2015, 10:20 PM
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Dec 14 2015, 10:14 PM
Alright that's fair. But in the end, it's fantasy.
Are you sure it's not reality?

The wall between Reality and fantasy, sometimes so small?


Honestly I don't really feel that's an excuse, honestly I'm not even sure what exactly that means.

In any case it's a purely constructed fantasy, and honestly I can barely even finish the episodes anymore.

We don't know honestly, the last thing he wrote was FnF and BoG really. More so than before, but Super for many reasons feels more childish, and in the worse way possible.
Why is it not an excuse? A writer can make his own in-universe rules as long as in the end it's entertaining to some audience.

Maybe you can't watch because you're not in the target audience.

Don't forget Jaco.
Because the execution in any case is still terrible.

And what exactly is the target audience and why can I only watch and enjoy things in which I am the target audience? I'm not the target audience for Wakfu certainly bit I still consider that a great series. I mean seriously, who is the target audience and why does that run so contrary to almost everyone's tastes here including up to Clearin and Lord Vader has major complaints?
I really don't like "you don't get it." I don't like unbreakable, but I can understand why people like it. So if it's so contrary that I can't see it, I want an explanation so I can begin to see it.
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Scratch that. I'm gonna take this to a whole different medium. I think you can agree that a good percentage of the population despise current rap, yet it sells. Why is that? It's filling a certain audience. And some of it is awful. But certain people eat it up. I'm sure that's also the case with this.
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Dec 14 2015, 10:40 PM
Scratch that. I'm gonna take this to a whole different medium. I think you can agree that a good percentage of the population despise current rap, yet it sells. Why is that? It's filling a certain audience. And some of it is awful. But certain people eat it up. I'm sure that's also the case with this.
Okay, but why is Super like this then? What makes in so appealing to who and why? I'm honestly asking.
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The "made for kids" excuse doesn't get far. You don't have to exclude everyone else when you make something for kids, and it's written by adults, who, ideally, want to tell the story they're writing. If I, at any point, felt like someone actually wanted to make Super, that there was some creative spark behind it, I might give it some slack. That's why I like Battle of Gods; Toriyama wanted to tell that story. He got so involved with what he was writing that he went overboard with it and wrote the whole thing. That's great. That's a sign of real passion.

Resurrection F? I don't think so. That was just a series of action scenes that the fans would eat up (and how!) that Tori was forced (or felt obligated) to write.

Super isn't even made for kids, it's made for DBZ fans, whatever their age. I may not really be a DBZ fan, but I'd be willing to give this series credit if at least imitated DB/Z competently, but Super's (and Resurrection F's) method of appealing to fans is just fanservice, and they get no points for that.
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Dec 14 2015, 11:03 PM
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Scratch that. I'm gonna take this to a whole different medium. I think you can agree that a good percentage of the population despise current rap, yet it sells. Why is that? It's filling a certain audience. And some of it is awful. But certain people eat it up. I'm sure that's also the case with this.
Okay, but why is Super like this then? What makes in so appealing to who and why? I'm honestly asking.
It's like you said, it's childish. For children. And I'm not saying it's excellently made, just that a certain audience is in mind. And who knows, maybe he's trying something different because he's tired of the hardass fans lol

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Are you certain it's for dbz fans? I'm not.
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Dec 14 2015, 11:03 PM
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Scratch that. I'm gonna take this to a whole different medium. I think you can agree that a good percentage of the population despise current rap, yet it sells. Why is that? It's filling a certain audience. And some of it is awful. But certain people eat it up. I'm sure that's also the case with this.
Okay, but why is Super like this then? What makes in so appealing to who and why? I'm honestly asking.
It's like you said, it's childish. For children. And I'm not saying it's excellently made, just that a certain audience is in mind. And who knows, maybe he's trying something different because he's tired of the hardass fans lol

@Solid Snake

Are you certain it's for dbz fans? I'm not.
So is Gargoyles and Avatar the Last Airbender! I like kids shows for the most part. Saying it's being made for children doesn't excuse the terrible plot, the treatment of characters, the 4kids-esque censoring of blood (seriously it's not hard to just have Beerus destroy the heart by punching it, much more mature animes have gone a similarly bloodless route), and the overall lackadaisical effort made on it.
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Dec 14 2015, 11:03 PM
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Dec 14 2015, 10:40 PM
Scratch that. I'm gonna take this to a whole different medium. I think you can agree that a good percentage of the population despise current rap, yet it sells. Why is that? It's filling a certain audience. And some of it is awful. But certain people eat it up. I'm sure that's also the case with this.
Okay, but why is Super like this then? What makes in so appealing to who and why? I'm honestly asking.
It's like you said, it's childish. For children. And I'm not saying it's excellently made, just that a certain audience is in mind. And who knows, maybe he's trying something different because he's tired of the hardass fans lol

@Solid Snake

Are you certain it's for dbz fans? I'm not.
So is Gargoyles and Avatar the Last Airbender! I like kids shows for the most part. Saying it's being made for children doesn't excuse the terrible plot, the treatment of characters, the 4kids-esque censoring of blood (seriously it's not hard to just have Beerus destroy the heart by punching it, much more mature animes have gone a similarly bloodless route), and the overall lackadaisical effort made on it.
Can your criticisms not be applied to the series as a whole? Perhaps to a lesser extent, but can it not?

Terrible plot? Well there wasn't much of a plot to begin with.

Treatment of characters? Non-Saiyans have been of little help as early as Trunks Saga. Sure, the thing with Gohan is odd, so i won't argue that, but otherwise it's pretty much what has been happening for a good while.

4Kids? Not sure why this is an argument, but they've been taking stuff from series for years upon years.

Lack of effort? Boo Saga.



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Dec 15 2015, 01:37 AM
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Dec 15 2015, 01:19 AM
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Dec 15 2015, 01:04 AM
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Dec 14 2015, 11:03 PM
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Dec 14 2015, 10:40 PM
Scratch that. I'm gonna take this to a whole different medium. I think you can agree that a good percentage of the population despise current rap, yet it sells. Why is that? It's filling a certain audience. And some of it is awful. But certain people eat it up. I'm sure that's also the case with this.
Okay, but why is Super like this then? What makes in so appealing to who and why? I'm honestly asking.
It's like you said, it's childish. For children. And I'm not saying it's excellently made, just that a certain audience is in mind. And who knows, maybe he's trying something different because he's tired of the hardass fans lol

@Solid Snake

Are you certain it's for dbz fans? I'm not.
So is Gargoyles and Avatar the Last Airbender! I like kids shows for the most part. Saying it's being made for children doesn't excuse the terrible plot, the treatment of characters, the 4kids-esque censoring of blood (seriously it's not hard to just have Beerus destroy the heart by punching it, much more mature animes have gone a similarly bloodless route), and the overall lackadaisical effort made on it.
Can your criticisms not be applied to the series as a whole? Perhaps to a lesser extent, but can it not?

Terrible plot? Well there wasn't much of a plot to begin with.

Treatment of characters? Non-Saiyans have been of little help as early as Trunks Saga. Sure, the thing with Gohan is odd, so i won't argue that, but otherwise it's pretty much what has been happening for a good while.

4Kids? Not sure why this is an argument, but they've been taking stuff from series for years upon years.

Lack of effort? Boo Saga.



But there was a plot. A simple plot but there was one and it was executed competently. Here no one knows what's going on and it clearly feels like different people are writing different episodes, which while true is not something you want your viewers to realize in the fashion of "oh that plot point was dropped immediately, guess the writer didn't know what to do with them."

Gohan is exactly who I was referring to. It's so disgraceful, no one in Dragon Ball has been treated like that, not Krillin, not Yamcha. Also everyone else has massively regressed as well, well not Vegeta, he's only regressed a little, and then there's Goku being evil. I think Clearin said it best, he's not the Goku we know and love anymore.

The problem is this is the original draft, you'd think they could write and animated around that knowing their censorship laws. 4-kids is dealing with already made content. The problem is that what they went with was to have it, but have a strange effect going on like it's some kind of edit in by a censors. It's just really strange that they can't bother to write so they don't have to do that weird effect.

That doesn't make it any better here.
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You know, I don't think I'm capable of furthering this argument since i only watched the first few episodes so I'll simy end it here. I'll end it on this note. You mention the multiple writers screwing things up and making so many inconsistencies. All I'll say is: Superman.
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Dec 15 2015, 02:05 AM
You know, I don't think I'm capable of furthering this argument since i only watched the first few episodes so I'll simy end it here. I'll end it on this note. You mention the multiple writers screwing things up and making so many inconsistencies. All I'll say is: Superman.
One has been around for more than 80 years, the other is a recent creation that has already given a big feeling of of too many cooks spoiling the broth. There's no excuse for Super, plenty of series can make their whole run without bringing in that feeling. Comparing it to Superman is an insult to Super considering one is a story that's been around less than a year, while the other has been here for 80.
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You know, I don't think I'm capable of furthering this argument since i only watched the first few episodes so I'll simy end it here. I'll end it on this note. You mention the multiple writers screwing things up and making so many inconsistencies. All I'll say is: Superman.
One has been around for more than 80 years, the other is a recent creation that has already given a big feeling of of too many cooks spoiling the broth. There's no excuse for Super, plenty of series can make their whole run without bringing in that feeling.
You're right. Well, I'm out.
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You know, I don't think I'm capable of furthering this argument since i only watched the first few episodes so I'll simy end it here. I'll end it on this note. You mention the multiple writers screwing things up and making so many inconsistencies. All I'll say is: Superman.
One has been around for more than 80 years, the other is a recent creation that has already given a big feeling of of too many cooks spoiling the broth. There's no excuse for Super, plenty of series can make their whole run without bringing in that feeling.
You're right. Well, I'm out.
NOOO! COME BACK! :'(

Also I think you made the right call on only watching a few episodes of Super.
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I'm sorry, but dbz "felt like it was for 17 year olds"? That's honestly hilarious
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