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Dragonball super worse than GT; Discussion
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Dec 14 2015, 09:51 PM
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Dec 14 2015, 09:42 PM
What I don't understand is how this whole "selfish Goku" came to be. I mean sure if we're talking Pre-Kami Goku you might say Goku's selfish...but it is damn clear that afterwards, Goku was one of the most selfless beings in the series. I've pointed it out before but Goku was a guy whom after meeting Kami was merciful and kindhearted...perhaps bordering on foolishness at times. He loved fighting but he also loved the Earth and the people around it. He was willing to step away from Earth if it meant protecting it and was clearly infuriated when the villains caused damage to others around it. His interaction with Gero and South City expresses this perfectly.

Goku might not have worn a cape and talked about world peace but he sure as hell had a heart. He did not let his desire for a good fight cloud his moral judgement. Something which unfortunately got lost over the Boo Arc. Honestly if you put the Boo Arc personality of Goku against say the 23rd Budokai Goku, 23rd Goku would probably have let Piccolo kill everyone in the tournament. Hell he'd probably take him to a populated city and fight him there.
It comes from his later appearances really spotlighting just how selfish he is which retroactively has made people, like myself, question his decision to not kill Piccolo. I know he says he wants to spare Piccolo because it would be wrong to kill him but honestly, I think its more than likely a combination of wanting to preserve the DBs AND the only worthwhile opponent he has left.

He doesn't let Vegeta go out of the kindness of his heart, he lets him go so they can fight again even though the guy and his partner just murdered most of his friends and almost killed him and his son. He doesn't let Freeza go because of mercy but out of spite. He wanted for Freeza to spend the rest of his life infuriated that a Super Saiyan took his title of "strongest in the universe" away from him. In the future time-line, Goku straight up murders him and Cold.

Then there's the Cell Saga where Goku starts showing his true colors. Instead of listening to Bulma and stopping a threat he knows caused catastrophic damage in the future, he chooses to fight them instead which ends up killing him, Trunks and nearly destroys the Earth. All so he can get in a good fight.

The Boo Saga is another example where he lets stupid Saiyan logic & his own love for combat take over. Instead of telling Vegeta to piss off, power up to SSJ3 and one shot him, Goku humors the barely controlled murderous sociopath and gives him a battle, enjoying himself in the process until Majin Boo waking up snaps him out of it. Then he and Vegeta both crush the Potara because he knows it'll be more fun to fight him as he is now because Vegetto would spank Kid Boo to death easily, and Goku finds that boring.

Goku to me doesn't come off as selfless at all, he's an obsessed moron who more often than not actively helps in making things worse until they get so bad even he can't ignore it anymore. Although he never realizes he helped to worsen the issue, honestly Chi-Chi is the only character in the ENTIRE DB UNIVERSE who has a hint of a clue as to what Goku is actually like. Then there's the way he blatantly doesn't care about anyone else unless they're dead, in-danger of dying or can be of use to him which is a whole other can of worms.
Hard to argue with your perspective.

But then, why is it only Super Goku that gets all the hate?
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Likely because Super Goku has killed countless trillions upon trillions of beings in the universe over something that was easily avoidable.
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Dec 15 2015, 10:24 AM
Likely because Super Goku has killed countless trillions upon trillions of beings in the universe over something that was easily avoidable.
Not true. The shockwaves were never shown actually blowing up a single planet (or star) or vaporising any people. Elder Kaioshin said this stuff would happen on the 3rd punch.
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Likely because Super Goku has killed countless trillions upon trillions of beings in the universe over something that was easily avoidable.
Not true. The shockwaves were never shown actually blowing up a single planet (or star) or vaporising any people. Elder Kaioshin said this stuff would happen on the 3rd punch.
I'm a bit confused. In that case, how strong were the first two shockwaves? It's crazy to jump from a shockwave not destroying even a planet to the next one destroying everything in the Universe.
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Dec 15 2015, 12:31 PM
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Dec 15 2015, 10:52 AM
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Dec 15 2015, 10:24 AM
Likely because Super Goku has killed countless trillions upon trillions of beings in the universe over something that was easily avoidable.
Not true. The shockwaves were never shown actually blowing up a single planet (or star) or vaporising any people. Elder Kaioshin said this stuff would happen on the 3rd punch.
I'm a bit confused. In that case, how strong were the first two shockwaves? It's crazy to jump from a shockwave not destroying even a planet to the next one destroying everything in the Universe.
The only thing the first two shockwaves were shown to destroy were asteroids. Elder Kaioshin spoke about people, planets, even Goku and Beerus themselves being destroyed after "2 and a half"more punches. I don't know WHY the third punch was more special than the first two, but that's what we're told. My best guess is the first two just weakened everything. We see the second punch do nothing but push people on Earth to the ground, and yet we're told the next one would blow up the entire planet.
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funny thing is when GT was on the top everybody said " oh god look how s*** it is and stuff" right until we got super. Now the same core keep saying " look this s*** Super is worse than GT by far".... The funny thing is that all of these ppl will be the ones who d watch the infamous worse anime than GT DB Super every single weekend. We knew and we can agree on that GT was not that good. Super is not that good but all of this episodes are the retelling of BoG and FnF, wait until it reached the manga and say again it is bad.

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Dec 15 2015, 01:10 PM
funny thing is when GT was on the top everybody said " oh god look how s*** it is and stuff" right until we got super. Now the same core keep saying " look this s*** Super is worse than GT by far".... The funny thing is that all of these ppl will be the ones who d watch the infamous worse anime than GT DB Super every single weekend. We knew and we can agree on that GT was not that good. Super is not that good but all of this episodes are the retelling of BoG and FnF, wait until it reached the manga and say again it is bad.

Wait more than a year in the shows running time to judge it?

That's simply ridiculous, they had the choice to do U6 first and instead they have given us badly done retellings. They deserve all the criticism and judgement they get for these boneheaded moves. Starting off with a year of uninterrupted filler is a huge problem for a show to have. To ignore that to judge it, you may as well say Enterprise is quite good because the fourth season is good. But the first two seasons ate still there and still terrible.

This show can be considered the Star Trek Enterprise of Dragon Ball. And that's assuming it has a good U6 arc, which I doubt judging from... The previous episodes.



If it's so limited by being a retelling... Maybe it should have not began with two arcs of retellings and told an original story instead.
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funny thing is when GT was on the top everybody said " oh god look how s*** it is and stuff" right until we got super. Now the same core keep saying " look this s*** Super is worse than GT by far".... The funny thing is that all of these ppl will be the ones who d watch the infamous worse anime than GT DB Super every single weekend. We knew and we can agree on that GT was not that good. Super is not that good but all of this episodes are the retelling of BoG and FnF, wait until it reached the manga and say again it is bad.

Wait more than a year in the shows running time to judge it?

That's simply ridiculous, they had the choice to do U6 first and instead they have given us badly done retellings. They deserve all the criticism and judgement they get for these boneheaded moves. Starting off with a year of uninterrupted filler is a huge problem for a show to have. To ignore that to judge it, you may as well say Enterprise is quite good because the fourth season is good. But the first two seasons ate still there and still terrible.

This show can be considered the Star Trek Enterprise of Dragon Ball. And that's assuming it has a good U6 arc, which I doubt judging from... The previous episodes.



If it's so limited by being a retelling... Maybe it sounds have not began with two arcs of retellings and told an original story instead.
What i Trying to imply was that This super hasnt even animated a second from Dragon Ball Chou, yeah you can judge them for that But in the end we will see whether it was worth it or not. You know not every man in the world has the chance and money to go to those limited cinemas which played the movies. Besides watching them online was not the best option it ruined the atmosphere as they were 240p and the sound was hilariously awful. I bet the full hd cinema version was a tad better.


So retelling the story in "HD" is not a really bad option, for those who d like to re-watch the movies with a little extra.

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Dec 15 2015, 01:39 PM
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funny thing is when GT was on the top everybody said " oh god look how s*** it is and stuff" right until we got super. Now the same core keep saying " look this s*** Super is worse than GT by far".... The funny thing is that all of these ppl will be the ones who d watch the infamous worse anime than GT DB Super every single weekend. We knew and we can agree on that GT was not that good. Super is not that good but all of this episodes are the retelling of BoG and FnF, wait until it reached the manga and say again it is bad.

Wait more than a year in the shows running time to judge it?

That's simply ridiculous, they had the choice to do U6 first and instead they have given us badly done retellings. They deserve all the criticism and judgement they get for these boneheaded moves. Starting off with a year of uninterrupted filler is a huge problem for a show to have. To ignore that to judge it, you may as well say Enterprise is quite good because the fourth season is good. But the first two seasons ate still there and still terrible.

This show can be considered the Star Trek Enterprise of Dragon Ball. And that's assuming it has a good U6 arc, which I doubt judging from... The previous episodes.



If it's so limited by being a retelling... Maybe it sounds have not began with two arcs of retellings and told an original story instead.
What i Trying to imply was that This super hasnt even animated a second from Dragon Ball Chou, yeah you can judge them for that But in the end we will see whether it was worth it or not. You know not every man in the world has the chance and money to go to those limited cinemas which played the movies. Besides watching them online was not the best option it ruined the atmosphere as they were 240p and the sound was hilariously awful. I bet the full hd cinema version was a tad better.


So retelling the story in "HD" is not a really bad option, for those who d like to re-watch the movies with a little extra.
Pointer is the type that likes the George Lucas special edition star wars stuff is all. Not that that's a bad thing persay, it's just preference. It's just most of us don't like the additional stuff. It's filler and it throws off the pacing and the timing. I personally felt like Battle of Gods was slow and tedious as is. We went the whole second act without a fight scene, and the one in the first act was over in 2 minutes and 18 seconds. The first two minutes was Goku powering up and posturing. He punched out a planet right after that, which was badass, but then the movie came to a screeching halt. And when I have to stretch the whole boring fight less second act of a movie (30 minutes on its own) into an extended version as long as the actual movie, it stops being entertaining. The reason you create a film is to tell a story in the allotted time. Battle of Gods wasn't great, but the fights were fast, hard hitting, and weren't bogged down with excessive dialogue. Well that last part is a stretch too, though they make up for it in Ressurection of F.
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funny thing is when GT was on the top everybody said " oh god look how s*** it is and stuff" right until we got super. Now the same core keep saying " look this s*** Super is worse than GT by far".... The funny thing is that all of these ppl will be the ones who d watch the infamous worse anime than GT DB Super every single weekend. We knew and we can agree on that GT was not that good. Super is not that good but all of this episodes are the retelling of BoG and FnF, wait until it reached the manga and say again it is bad.

Wait more than a year in the shows running time to judge it?

That's simply ridiculous, they had the choice to do U6 first and instead they have given us badly done retellings. They deserve all the criticism and judgement they get for these boneheaded moves. Starting off with a year of uninterrupted filler is a huge problem for a show to have. To ignore that to judge it, you may as well say Enterprise is quite good because the fourth season is good. But the first two seasons ate still there and still terrible.

This show can be considered the Star Trek Enterprise of Dragon Ball. And that's assuming it has a good U6 arc, which I doubt judging from... The previous episodes.



If it's so limited by being a retelling... Maybe it sounds have not began with two arcs of retellings and told an original story instead.
What i Trying to imply was that This super hasnt even animated a second from Dragon Ball Chou, yeah you can judge them for that But in the end we will see whether it was worth it or not. You know not every man in the world has the chance and money to go to those limited cinemas which played the movies. Besides watching them online was not the best option it ruined the atmosphere as they were 240p and the sound was hilariously awful. I bet the full hd cinema version was a tad better.


So retelling the story in "HD" is not a really bad option, for those who d like to re-watch the movies with a little extra.
The level of quality U6 needs to be in order to be worth it is rising with every episode, especially every bad episode, of these two filler arcs. To where I doubt Toriyama would have it in him at any point to bring it.
What about simply buying the dvd? I Can't imagine Super going to countries they didn't bother to spread the movies. As for getting then on the internet, BoG/FnF and Super are in same boat there. And buying the movies is certainly cheaper than buying two seasons of the show.

It's also removed plenty of things (Like Videl's pregnancy beginning shoved in rather than foreshadowed) from the BoG story so it even fails at that.
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